I JUST finally saw Critical Countdown.

[destro713]

Here's a short breakdown. I haven't really read any reactions posted here yet so I don't know if I'm saying what's already been said, but what the hell.

Kharitonov/Rizzo - Obviously this was a slaughter. Rizzo looked super rusty and his reflexes just didn't exist. Shame, because I really like Rizzo.

Shogun/Lil' Nog - Little Nog blew me away. He went up against a super-hyped Chute Boxe fighter and completely outgunned him, even in the clinch. After that first knockdown Shogun seemed virtually beaten and spent the entire fight going for those longshot jumping punches, and not one of them landed cleanly. He only had one moment of dominance which was when he got the knockdown in R3 but it was a lucky shot and he was too rocked from the shots he ate in R1 and R2 to capitalize. Speaking of failure to capitalize, what good were those takedowns? Is it really an accomplishment to take down a guy who has a distinct advantage on the ground? It seemed that every takedown eventually led to Nog going for that same armbar attempt. He never sunk it in, but the fact is that it was Nog who mustered the best offense after every one of Rua's (supposedly) offensive takedowns. Personally I think the takedowns were just so he could escape a knockout, which would have made him look even worse than he did already. As I've said before, Shogun is all hype. He currently only has 2 impressive wins on paper: one was against the lifeless, defenseless carcass of Rampage and the other was this poochscrew. The fact that Rua was given the bull**** decision basically makes the entire tournament a fraud. A damn entertaining fraud, and a fraud that will be well worth another $30 in August, but a fraud nonetheless. Nog looked so complete here that if he had been given the deserved win, he would be my favorite to take it all. Politics win again.

Overeem/Vovchanchyn -- Similar to Cro Cop/Randleman II, this fight basically did not happen. Vovchanchyn was too excited and ran into one of the most basic moves there is. I hope they rematch in October.

Cro Cop/Pre-Fedor Mini-Boss #1 (Magomedov) -- Well, duh. Those looping rights looked pretty forceful but they were no match for the best reflexes in the sport. Awesome finish.

Takimoto/Tamura -- Tamura was so dominant with those leg kicks that he had absolutely no excuse for losing steam and eventually almost getting KO'ed, and by an MMA novice at that. I guess he deserved the decision but I almost think Takimoto should've taken it just for his fighting spirit, or to penalize Tamura for blowing his opportunity so royally.

Nog/Nastula -- Nastula didn't get dominated quite as badly as I expected, but I was expecting it to be really, really bad so that doesn't say much. Not much else you can say about this one.

Sakuraba/Arona -- Sakuraba is my favorite so it was sad for me to see him sporting his new honeydew-sized alien eyes. Smart stoppage, and hopefully Sakuraba can... oh, I don't know... fight at his own weight class now. But retire? I don't want that and I doubt he does either. By the way, this fight put Arona on my **** list (even though he was on it already). And since Overeem and Rua were also already on it, that means I am actually rooting for Silva to win this fraud tournament even though I hate rooting for favorites. Then maybe Little Nog can knock his ass out for the title later this year. Anyway, how long will it be until somebody actually takes advantage of Arona's bull's eye of a chin? Sheeit, I have a better stance than he does.

Silva/Nakamura -- If Nakamura had scored a knockout after throwing off his shirt he would have been forever known by me as the baddest man on the planet, but when you get distracted while Silva is trying to kill you, you're prone to lose fights. It's just a fact of nature. I'm still a fan of both fighters.

Overall I was disappointed with a lot of the outcomes (all 4 tournament fighters I was rooting for lost) and totally pissed about the BS decision, but very impressed with the show as a total package. It's a huge improvement over GP Round 1, and I can't wait for August.

[destro713]

I just checked out some reactions from the spoiler board. I cannot believe that so many of you actually thought Shogun deserved that win. Besides that one punch in R3 that he took no advantage of, which part was it where Shogun was ahead? It couldn't have been the standup because that's where he got clearly outboxed. It couldn't have been the ground because all he accomplished there were some short knees and love taps (none of which caused damage) and some submission escapes, which are defensive manuvers. It couldn't have been the standing/buttscoot position because Nog caused more damage with his single successful up-kick than Rua did with all those jumping punch whiffs combined. And it couldn't have been the clinch, where all he did was take glancing knees to the stomach and score uncontested takedowns which put him in a worse position.

He won that fight because the Japanese press is having fun hailing him as the new Silva and a loss on his record would spoil their fun.

[ColeTrain]

I agree with all of this. I'm not going to argue it though because there's too much "Shogun is the man" groupthink going on right now. But I'm definitely with you destro, lil Nog won that fight hands down and should be advancing. I'm starting to think that lil' Nog is the best LHW in the world excluding nobody.

[Iron Maiden]

Seems like the major weakness in the Chute Box guys are all the weak chins.

[cumthedestroyer]

i thought Shogun was commendable for his determination most of all and seemed to control the fight, but yes Nog was more effective and came closer to finishing the fight. i also agree that a defensive takedown of a guy who allows himself to be taken down because he believes it's to his advantage, isn't really worth much. if i hadn't known the results i would have been shocked that not a single judge saw the fight for Nog. they should definitely rematch.

and as for Tamura, he fought like a ridiculous pussy considering the size advantage he had on that guy. no effort to finish from Tamura, nothing he did was effective to stopping that fight. i would have given Takimoto the decision for his late rally.

[Jeremy]

Sergei was my favorite part of CC. What footwork and mauling he showed.

[Tony Montana]

The fact that Rua was given the bull**** decision basically makes the entire tournament a fraud. A damn entertaining fraud, and a fraud that will be well worth another $30 in August, but a fraud nonetheless.

Damn, those are harsh words:eek:

I thought Lil Nog deserved the decision if the fight ended after round one. But, the rest of the fight was pretty much all Shogun. Good decision IMO, the GP is not a fraud:p

[CatSmasher]

I think lil Nog won round 1 clearly scoring a knockdown almost 2 and it was a ten minute round.But Shogun won round 2 and 3 being more agressive and scoring takedowns and a knockdown in round 3, Both rounds 2 and 3 were 5 minutes each which clearly means fight was a draw at best.Should have given them 1 more 5 minute period.If I was forced to chose I'd have to lean towards lil Nog.It was a tough hard fought fight tho, very entertaining. >-(

[Force]

I thought Shogun clearly won the fight. If pride judged per round I would say the first round could have gone either way with Shogun clearly winning rounds 2 and 3. Besides the 2 clean punches Nog landed and the one reasonably close sub he had what else did Nog do?? I don't think he did anywhere near enough to earn the decision. I was very happy to see the decision was unanimous. No-one can tell me that Nog was being willingly taken down!!! You don't think that if he had his choice he would have rather been on top of all those takedowns!! Nog did virtually nothing from the bottom and shogun's takedowns were hard, definitive, aggressive and nog was not just allowing them. I am very glad to see that tactics like nog exhibited are NOT rewarded by the judges. He had to do more to earn a win. All of my friends who were watching with me thought Shogun won the fight and we were all nervous about a bull**** decision going to Nog.

[ColeTrain]

I thought Shogun clearly won the fight. If pride judged per round I would say the first round could have gone either way with Shogun clearly winning rounds 2 and 3. Besides the 2 clean punches Nog landed and the one reasonably close sub he had what else did Nog do?? I don't think he did anywhere near enough to earn the decision. I was very happy to see the decision was unanimous. No-one can tell me that Nog was being willingly taken down!!! You don't think that if he had his choice he would have rather been on top of all those takedowns!! Nog did virtually nothing from the bottom and shogun's takedowns were hard, definitive, aggressive and nog was not just allowing them. I am very glad to see that tactics like nog exhibited are NOT rewarded by the judges. He had to do more to earn a win. All of my friends who were watching with me thought Shogun won the fight and we were all nervous about a bull**** decision going to Nog.


1st round could've gone either way? Those are the words of bias. I like both fighters, but Nog did more damage in that fight. Shogun's takedowns should be considered, but you're fooling yourself if you think Nog doesn't want to be on the ground (eventhough he was better in the standup than Shogun). And many BJJ guys, including Nog, prefer the bottom/guard, so to say he didn't care about getting takendown is a serious consideration-he's done it before, so it's not out of the question.

I'm with those that say, draw at best, but more likely a Nog win.

[CatSmasher]

I thought Shogun clearly won the fight. If pride judged per round I would say the first round could have gone either way with Shogun clearly winning rounds 2 and 3. Besides the 2 clean punches Nog landed and the one reasonably close sub he had what else did Nog do?? I don't think he did anywhere near enough to earn the decision. I was very happy to see the decision was unanimous. No-one can tell me that Nog was being willingly taken down!!! You don't think that if he had his choice he would have rather been on top of all those takedowns!! Nog did virtually nothing from the bottom and shogun's takedowns were hard, definitive, aggressive and nog was not just allowing them. I am very glad to see that tactics like nog exhibited are NOT rewarded by the judges. He had to do more to earn a win. All of my friends who were watching with me thought Shogun won the fight and we were all nervous about a bull**** decision going to Nog.
I'm just curious but have you only seen the fight once?The only reason I ask is because when I watched the fight the first time I kinda went with the fact that Shogun won but then I went back and watched it a few more times and I began to see that it was not a clear cut win for Shogun.If you recorded it or tivo it go back and watch it again.If you only got to see it once and don't have it anymore let me know I'll get it to you.I hat to say it but you and your friends did witness a bull**** decision.A split maybe a draw but not unanimous. >-(

[Loot]

I'm just curious but have you only seen the fight once?The only reason I ask is because when I watched the fight the first time I kinda went with the fact that Shogun won but then I went back and watched it a few more times and I began to see that it was not a clear cut win for Shogun.If you recorded it or tivo it go back and watch it again.If you only got to see it once and don't have it anymore let me know I'll get it to you.I hat to say it but you and your friends did witness a bull**** decision.A split maybe a draw but not unanimous. >-(

I saw SHogun win, but maybe because of confirmation bias. However, the announcers seemed to think it was going to be Shogun. No one was upset over this. I have yet to really feel comfortable with the Pride scoring system. When it is explained it makes sense, but when a decision is close it seems they can really pick whoever they want...

[West]

I'm just curious but have you only seen the fight once?The only reason I ask is because when I watched the fight the first time I kinda went with the fact that Shogun won but then I went back and watched it a few more times and I began to see that it was not a clear cut win for Shogun.If you recorded it or tivo it go back and watch it again.If you only got to see it once and don't have it anymore let me know I'll get it to you.I hat to say it but you and your friends did witness a bull**** decision.A split maybe a draw but not unanimous. >-(


I had the opposite reaction. When I first watched the fight I thought Nog should've got the decision or at least a split. But, after watching it again I realized that Rua was the aggresor and continued to bring the fight to Nog. And I know Nog got the better of the exchanges but he wasn't as aggresive as Rua was and I think that is what got him the win. If you take into consideration on how Pride judges judge the "whole" fight and not round by round, then you could see how they gave it to Rua. I still feal it should've at least been a split though, because it wasn't totally one sided. Just my two cents.

[Iron Maiden]

I instantlly thought the only thing that would be fair would be a split decision. I personally was hoping little Nog was going to get the win,but figured Shogun would instead. However,NOT by unanimous decision. I personally think Nog got screwed there,as a UD is like the equivalent of saying "you got clearly dominated" and that was simply not even CLOSE to being the case. Nog almost knocked him out a couple of times in the fight.

Shogun may have gotten the decision,but to me,Nog walked away the winner,and he made a new fan. (me)

[ColeTrain]

But, after watching it again I realized that Rua was the aggresor and continued to bring the fight to Nog. And I know Nog got the better of the exchanges but he wasn't as aggresive as Rua was and I think that is what got him the win.


Aren't you troubled by this reasoning? Not yours, but the scoring in fights, and specifically in Pride. You can be aggressive, yet lose the majority of the exchanges, but win because you were "bringing the fight". That seems flatout stupid to me. That's tantamount to running in, getting dropped, getting back up, running in, getting dropped, over and over again. But who's the aggressor? The guy getting his **** handed to him.

That's why judges should really discern for effective aggressiveness/actually doing damage.

[ColeTrain]

Shogun may have gotten the decision,but to me,Nog walked away the winner,and he made a new fan. (me)


I'm with ya, I was already pimping lil Nog, but that fight made me a bigger fan of his.

[destro713]

In MMA, a takedown is not an offensive maneuver by definition. It's just a position change. It can be offensive, neutral, or even defensive depending on the circumstances. A slam is an offensive maneuver. A throw is an offensive maneuver. A tackle is an offensive maneuver. But Shogun's "takedowns" consisted of avoiding standing and clinch strikes by dragging his clinched up opponent to the mat and landing in his extremely skilled guard. He was going from one disadvantage to the other, and that should not be considered positive in scoring. The only successful offense he mustered in the entire fight was that one punch in round 3. Nogueira was able to land a similar knockdown shot earlier plus numerous solid shots to the head and face all through the first 2 rounds, clinch knees to the belly and even an up-kick to the face in round 2, plus he threw three or four armbar attempts and tried to pull a trialgle at least twice.

If you want a great example of completely worthless takedowns, check out the Bas Rutten career DVD's. Bas Rutten had the absolute worst takedown defense you could imagine. He would topple over like a rag doll. But over the last four years of his career he went undefeated over a span of 21 fights and won 11 of them by submission, despite getting taken down numerous times in every match.

Also, about decisions... there is never a situation where a split decision is better than a unanimous one. A split decision doesn't mean 2 rounds to 1, it means 2 judges to 1. So if you say that a fight should have been a split decision, that's like saying "I know who won that fight, but I hope one of the judges gets it all wrong." That makes no sense.

[Serialkilla]

In UFC rules Shogun would have won...

In Pride rules Nog should have won...

But for some reason they gave Shogun the nod...

I thought going for submissions is EFFORT TO FINISH THE FIGHT...

Which is the main criteria in Prides Judging...

Prides Judging is all over the map, and you almost never know who will anymore.

[Iron Maiden]

THey are hellbent on making it a Silva vs Shogun finale. They can hype the **** out of the "teacher vs student" angle/etc. Nog never really had a chance,unless he could've finished the fight himself.

Corrupt judging all over the place.

[cumthedestroyer]

Nog allowed Shogun to make it all Ali/Inoki for a lot of the fight with Nog layin there and Shogun bein active. this is what lost the fight for Nog. the decision was right in that it was given to Shogun, but it shoudl have been split and there should be a rematch. Nog was the better fighter he just let Shogun dictate too much of the fight's pace. on his back he let Shogun thro those worthless superman punches that will neer end a fight but will score big with Japanese fans. Japanese fans love "signature moves", it's like the WWF over there. "Kondo has new hyabushi punch which he will defeat Igor with!" "Sapp will be demonstrating his scorpion strike!" "Shogun, is this a new move this superman punch?" At least Shogun doesn't play along with the "new move" stupidity and admits it doesn't mean ****.

[don king]

I instantlly thought the only thing that would be fair would be a split decision. I personally was hoping little Nog was going to get the win,but figured Shogun would instead. However,NOT by unanimous decision.

Lets say hypothetically, that the fight was scored out of 100 possible points and all three judges called it 100-99 for Shogun. That would make it the closest fight in mma history AND a unanimous decision.

I was watching the fight with a friend and before the decision was announced we both agreed that the fight was a draw and needed another round to determine a clear cut winner. We also knew that someone had to be awarded the victory and we would have no problem with the decision either way -- it was a draw, but because someone had to advance, a decision must be made. This fight was reminiscent of the big Nog vs. Sergei battle which was also a draw, and which big Nog got the nod, also in a Grand Prix. So, overall, the Nogs have had two draws and come out with a 1-1 record.

As a sidenote, I sure do like the K1 rule of having another round when the fight is too close to call. Of course, you couldn't have this rule on the final day when the winners must fight again, but why not in the preliminary rounds?

[WEREWOLF]

I don't know how anyone could score the Nog/Rua fight a win for Nog or even a draw. If I remember correctly I scored the first round for Nog but it was close.

The rest of the fight was closely contested but Rua landed a great deal more shots over the course of the fight, especially toward the end. I wish Pride had Compubox stats.

I will have to rewatch the fight though because I didn't realize there were so many people split on who won.

I was surprised at how well Nog did on his feet against Rua, hurting him several times, but Rua landed more shots. I was also surprised at how vunerable Rua was to getting hit. I think Rua is going to be in trouble against Overeem or Silva but he won a fair decision over Nog IMO.

[don king]

I wish Pride had Compubox stats.

God help us.

"Well Bob, Sakuraba landed 17 of 25 high kicks for a 64% connect percentageand Cro Cop landed only one of 14 which is only 7%."

"That's true Bill, but we're still looking for Sak's head."

Compubox is a great scam to make some people money, but actually, mathematics has little to do with effectiveness in boxing ... ie, Joe Frazier would gladly take 3 or 4 shots to hit you with one of his and feel good about it ... unless he was fighting George Foreman.

[Loot]

God help us.

"Well Bob, Sakuraba landed 17 of 25 high kicks for a 64% connect percentageand Cro Cop landed only one of 14 which is only 7%."

"That's true Bill, but we're still looking for Sak's head."

Compubox is a great scam to make some people money, but actually, mathematics has little to do with effectiveness in boxing ... ie, Joe Frazier would gladly take 3 or 4 shots to hit you with one of his and feel good about it ... unless he was fighting George Foreman.

You, or Joe Frazier, have obviously never taken 3 or 4 of MY shots.... ;)

[WEREWOLF]

God help us.

"Well Bob, Sakuraba landed 17 of 25 high kicks for a 64% connect percentageand Cro Cop landed only one of 14 which is only 7%."

"That's true Bill, but we're still looking for Sak's head."

Compubox is a great scam to make some people money, but actually, mathematics has little to do with effectiveness in boxing ... ie, Joe Frazier would gladly take 3 or 4 shots to hit you with one of his and feel good about it ... unless he was fighting George Foreman.

I disagree. In boxing compubox is an effective tool for counting landed punches. It is even broken down into categories of jabs and power punches. Compubox stats often fly in the face of bad decisions and are often great supporting evidence against bad decisions.

Obviously MMA is a whole different animal than boxing because of the myriad of techniques used. But in the Rua/Nog fight it would have been great to see the disparity in punches landed between the two fighters. Nog rocked Rua at least twice but Rua outlanded Nog by a pretty wide margin IMO and deserved the win.

[don king]

I disagree

We'll just have to agree to disagree then. I've alway believed compubox is one of the biggest steaming piles of bull**** ever. If they ever bring it to Pride and I have to listen to Mauro the twerp tell me that Nog landed 32 of 48 jabs, 12 of 17 power punches, got 3 of 7 takedown attempts, and was successful in 0 of 19 submission attempts I promise I will rip the speakers out of my television and do unspeakable acts with them (videotaped for your entertainment of course).

[WEREWOLF]

We'll just have to agree to disagree then. I've alway believed compubox is one of the biggest steaming piles of bull**** ever. If they ever bring it to Pride and I have to listen to Mauro the twerp tell me that Nog landed 32 of 48 jabs, 12 of 17 power punches, got 3 of 7 takedown attempts, and was successful in 0 of 19 submission attempts I promise I will rip the speakers out of my television and do unspeakable acts with them (videotaped for your entertainment of course).


Well none of us want that, so I hereby recant my support of Compubox. ;)

[Force]

Destro makes a very good point about "thinking a split decision would be fair"!! I was reading some posts thinking how absurd that is. A split decision does not necessarily mean the fight was very close. If you think Shogun won but it should be a split decision you are hoping that one of the 3 judges disagrees with you and thinks Nog actually won the fight!! The judges don't know each other's decisions people!! Each judge in this case thought Shogun won the fight. I for one do not believe in conspiracies, like Pride wanting Shogun in the final against Silva. I can only assume the judges have a good idea of how they are supposed to judge a fight. Pride's judging criteria seem pretty sound to me.

Nog should be deducted "points" or "merrit" for constantly lying on his back waiting for the fight to come to him. In a fight that goes to decision, being the agressor is a big factor. Shogun was clearly the agressor and IMO dished out more punishment. Yes nog landed two big punches but what did that get him!! He didn't score any takedowns because of them, he didn't get ground position because of them and deliver some GnP or submission attempts. Shogun on the other hand was constantly throwing punches landing shots, trying to end the fight.

I think Shogun won the fight so I think it should be a unanimous decision. If anyone thinks it should have been a split decision (for either fighter) than you actually aren't too sure of who won the fight yourself!!

[Loot]

Force, I agree with your entire post except this part..

Nog should be deducted "points" or "merrit" for constantly lying on his back waiting for the fight to come to him.

It is easy to consider someone lying on their back as being passive in the fight. However, in my eyes it is no different that a fighter waiting for another to strike so they can counterstrike. If Nog decides this is his strength, let him get flat on his back. If his opponent stands there with his thumb up his ass, he is doing nothing different but standing upwards. If he wants to attack, let him. He can kick or do whatever. But I am a big fan of the ground game, and if Nog thinks his strength is on his back, he should go down. It is no different than standing up. This is MMA, now boxing. The ground game should be equivalent to striking IMO. If one were to get on their back, they should not be penalized. They are alread putting themselves at a disadvantage because the other individual will score "points" by attacking. If they want to take that risk, let them. Merrit should not be an issue

[ColeTrain]

I understand some have heavy bias favoring strikers (thinking that strikers are more exciting), but even if that's the case, the striker (Shogun) was beaten at his own game. Even if he landed more punches, Nog did much more damage with his strikes. Plus Nog tried ending the fight with multiple sub attempts.

I'm sorry, but if anyone thought Shogun was gonna end the fight with his punches when on the ground...well, that's insane. Was Shogun aggressive? Yes. Effectively aggressive? No, not until the knockdown in round three. The takedowns he had shouldn't be considered anything more than the equivalent of landing a jab. It isn't like he was manhandling and slamming Nog, he was just dragging him down...and Nog wanted to be down there anyway.

[destro713]

I can't even remember the last time we were so amazingly split on the outcome of a fight. Maybe it was Ricco vs. Nog from 2 years ago.

Man, I can't believe I've been posting here for 2 years.

Anyway, you people who are talking about Rua landing more shots, what are you talking about? He only had one strike that connected cleanly, unless you're counting those little rabbit punches to the ear as legitimately dangerous strikes.

[Iron Maiden]

Also, about decisions... there is never a situation where a split decision is better than a unanimous one. A split decision doesn't mean 2 rounds to 1, it means 2 judges to 1. So if you say that a fight should have been a split decision, that's like saying "I know who won that fight, but I hope one of the judges gets it all wrong." That makes no sense.

Didn't see this comment until now.

I personally thought Nog won the fight,but it was so close that I knew the judges would rather make it a Chute Box final and Nog would get screwed,which he did. Them giving Shogun a UD is ridiculous. Look at this thread for an example why,we are almost split exactly even on who we think won the fight. Half say Shogun half say Nog. It was THAT close. The fact that all 3 judges gave Shogun the decsison is a shame to me. Like I said,surely at least ONE of them could put aside the thought of a Chute Box final and judge the fight as it happened.

I mean I don't know what else they could ask from Nog other than finishing Shogun. He beat Shogun in succesful strikes,and he attempted several submissions. What else can the man do???

The only thing was that Shogun was aggresive as hell.

I just personally feel like a UD in THIS situation is like a slap in the face to Nog to tell him "You didn't really have a chance of winning unless you finished him"

Oh well,it was a great fight regardless.

[sakukada]

Didn't see this comment until now.

I personally thought Nog won the fight,but it was so close that I knew the judges would rather make it a Chute Box final and Nog would get screwed,which he did. Them giving Shogun a UD is ridiculous. Look at this thread for an example why,we are almost split exactly even on who we think won the fight. Half say Shogun half say Nog. It was THAT close. The fact that all 3 judges gave Shogun the decsison is a shame to me. Like I said,surely at least ONE of them could put aside the thought of a Chute Box final and judge the fight as it happened.

I mean I don't know what else they could ask from Nog other than finishing Shogun. He beat Shogun in succesful strikes,and he attempted several submissions. What else can the man do???

The only thing was that Shogun was aggresive as hell.

I just personally feel like a UD in THIS situation is like a slap in the face to Nog to tell him "You didn't really have a chance of winning unless you finished him"

Oh well,it was a great fight regardless.

conspiracy theories again, why cant people accept when there is a fighter better then their choice

[Iron Maiden]

conspiracy theories again, why cant people accept when there is a fighter better then their choice

What kind of ignorant comment is that???

Seriously,how old are you? Some (most) of the comments you make are incredibly ridiculous.

[Xtreme]

I thought Critical Countdown was an overall entertaining show.

The Lil' Nog/Shogun fight was wicked.

Rizzo should have fought a weaker fighter for his first match. That was a tough one to do considering his layoff.

Arona fought a good fight against Sakuraba.

Nakamura was hanging with Silva until he took his gieh (spelling?) off. He should have waited until the round ended.

I can't wait until Final Conflict and the much anticipated fight between Crop Cop and Fedor.

[cumthedestroyer]

i love Hero's/K-1's extra rounds. i agree with what DK said all the way. so long as it's not an event where fighters are to be expected to fight twice or more in a night give them an extra round. less judge's decisions, more finished fights guaranteed. Shogun/Nog i think could have gone either way in a 4th round altho i give the edge to Shogun for scoring a TKO. yes nog was landing more but Shogun seemed to have hardened to Nog's power by the final round. altho he was getting popped off balance he wasn't goin out like in round 1. Shogun did land shots tho all thru this fight, that can't be dismissed. Mauro Renallo and Bas talk a lot about how Nog is getting the better of the excahnges but i'm not sure how true that was overall. Shogun lands at the very least a 3 punch combo of looping hooks in each round and keeps Nog completely inactive offensively via Ali/Inoki superman punches. i agree that Shogun won this fight with his phenomenal determination and conditioning but he's gotta get a boxing coach and get his balance right. i thought Shogun's performance was very exciting and inspiring, the greatest i have perhaps ever seen in a fight. the expression on his face when he's pushing to get up after Nog puts him down the first time in Rd 1. amazing fight.

[Rootsa]

Lil' Nog won that fight without question!! but Pride seems to want the stand up fighters winning so what can u say!!

Lil'Nog only chance was to finish the fight before it want to the cards, he didnt so he eats the lose :( Arona has the same problem in the next round if your ask me he has to finish the fight or eat a lose!! Nowadays it more about what sells then who's the better fighter!!

[( o Y o )]

Lil' Nog won that fight without question!!

If it was without question, not so many would believe Shogun won. ;-)