Tank Abbott vs. Bill Goldberg??

[miked]

There's a thread about this in Sherdog that they are in negotiations. This is silly. I can see Brock Lesnar because of his NCAA Wrestling background, but now Bill Goldberg?? What's his resume like? I saw Goldberg on that Pro's vs. Joe's, I thought he was an ass. I use to hate when he would imitate a MMA fighter in his pro wrestling days, Gimme a break. He wishes.

[Shaggy2dope]

I want to see if hes good.

[johny_jordan]

Goldberg would kill Abbott. A younger Tank would probably win, but not any more. It's as lopsided as Hughes Vs. Gracie.

[Roundhouse]

Goldberg is a longtime fan of mma. I don't how much training he's actually done though. I believe he previously mentioned his wrestling character was developed from watchin mma (he actually wears mma gloves in the ring). I think I heard him mention it while doing guest commentary on a Pride event a while back.

[johny_jordan]

To further explain my stance...

Goldberg (while unexperienced in MMA) is in way better condition than Tank. Tank is old, out of shape, and probably doesn't possess the same knock out power that he used to. Goldberg could hit Tank 5 times before Tank could SWING once (not even guaranteeing that he'd hit.)

I love Tank. I love what he did for the sport, but he's old. He doesn't need to embarass himself. What is it about these fighters that don't know when to walk away?

[Roundhouse]

To further explain my stance...

Goldberg (while unexperienced in MMA) is in way better condition than Tank. Tank is old, out of shape, and probably doesn't possess the same knock out power that he used to. Goldberg could hit Tank 5 times before Tank could SWING once (not even guaranteeing that he'd hit.)

I love Tank. I love what he did for the sport, but he's old. He doesn't need to embarass himself. What is it about these fighters that don't know when to walk away?

Can't agree with you there. If there's one thing Tank can still do, it's swing with power (that and make a six pack dissapear in a hurry). Last year at ROTR 7, Tank KO'd Cabbage with one punch showing he still had his devastating power.

Again, I have no clue what kind of training/sparring Bill Goldberg has done, and perhaps he's got some skills. But nothing can prepare you to get hit by Tank. If Abbot connected on him, it would likely be lights out.

[johny_jordan]

Goldberg played Professional Football and has taken countless chair shots to the head. I know, wrestling is fake. Those chair shots are not, though.

OK, Tank may still have his power. Cabbage? Come on. If there's anyone more sloppy than Tank, it's Cabbage.

Goldberg may not hit harder than Tank, but he could definately over power him. He'd have his way with Abbott. I can't see Goldberg actually knocking out Tank, but I still don't see Tank winning.

It's just my opinion, though. That's what the thread is for. Regardless, it would definately be an entertaining fight.

[kowarrior]

Goldberg has a black belt in BJJ. That's about all I know. But he's much too old to be competing in any legit combat sport. He's 40 now. Can't start an MMA career at this stage. Abbot would beat him easily.

[WEREWOLF]

Has Goldberg ever actually been in a fight? Tank by KO.

[johny_jordan]

Goldberg has a black belt in BJJ. That's about all I know. But he's much too old to be competing in any legit combat sport. He's 40 now. Can't start an MMA career at this stage. Abbot would beat him easily.

And Abbott isn't too old? Bill Goldberg is in phenomenal shape. He looks better than people half his age. I don't doubt that he trains every day just to keep in shape. He's a natural athlete.

What's Tank's training? A six-pack, a remote, and a couch?

[WEREWOLF]

And Abbott isn't too old? Bill Goldberg is in phenomenal shape. He looks better than people half his age. I don't doubt that he trains every day just to keep in shape. He's a natural athlete.

What's Tank's training? A six-pack, a remote, and a couch?

Goldberg is a windbag, a roided up phoney wrestler. When it comes to fighting nothing beats practical experience. Say what you want about Tank Abbott, the man has practical experience. Again I ask, has Goldberg ever actually been in a fight?

[johny_jordan]

I'm not sure if he's actually been in a sanctioned bout, but I know (no matter how much fighting experience I may or may not have) I will never EVER challenge that man to a fight.

I hope this thing gets signed. I'm getting more excited just discussing it.

[kowarrior]

And Abbott isn't too old? Bill Goldberg is in phenomenal shape. He looks better than people half his age. I don't doubt that he trains every day just to keep in shape. He's a natural athlete.

What's Tank's training? A six-pack, a remote, and a couch?

Say what you want about Tank's beer belly, the guy has spent his life in the gym. He's a legitimate fighter, he knows how to throw a damn good and pulverizing punch with either hand, mainly thanks to having boxed under top mexican coaches, he knows wrestling fundamentals, and he's a million times superior than any joe blow out there.
Bill Goldberg was a terrific pro wrestler and very agile. But as somebody already said, practical experience is what counts. Tank has fought in hundreds of real fights, and against the best. Goldberg has never experienced that. It's new territory for him.
Don't look at Tank's fat hairy body and think he can't tear up 99% of the people on this planet within seconds. He knows how to fight. It's not good enough to compete with the top MMA talent but he's not losing to a Goldberg or any other newbie.

[kowarrior]

I'm not sure if he's actually been in a sanctioned bout, but I know (no matter how much fighting experience I may or may not have) I will never EVER challenge that man to a fight.

I hope this thing gets signed. I'm getting more excited just discussing it.

Where are you hearing these rumours? Goldberg just had a baby boy last week, and he's in negotiatons with TNA wrestling as of right now.

[kowarrior]

Goldberg is a windbag, a roided up phoney wrestler. When it comes to fighting nothing beats practical experience. Say what you want about Tank Abbott, the man has practical experience. Again I ask, has Goldberg ever actually been in a fight?

I heard Goldberg got into a backstage fight with Chris Jerichko not too long after his arrival in WWE in 2003. Goldberg didn't have much success taming Jericho. According to the reports, Jericho trapped Goldberg in a headlock before they were seperated. And I doubt Jericho would last 4 seconds against a Tank Abbot.

[kowarrior]

There's a thread about this in Sherdog that they are in negotiations. This is silly. I can see Brock Lesnar because of his NCAA Wrestling background, but now Bill Goldberg?? What's his resume like? I saw Goldberg on that Pro's vs. Joe's, I thought he was an ass. I use to hate when he would imitate a MMA fighter in his pro wrestling days, Gimme a break. He wishes.

Goldberg had stated he had utmost respect for all MMA fighters in his book, and that he was only imitating an MMA fighter for his wrestling character. He does have phenomenal strength if you've ever seen what he's done in some of his matches.
Who knows? He is a natural athlete with tremendous talent. Maybe he could've been something in MMA? He's much too old and broken down now though. You can't learn MMA at 40. If he was a kid as I said, and grew up training in MMA, then maybe?

[Cbear]

I don't see Bill entering mma as he was smart with his wrestling money and isn't hurting. He makes money from tv, public appearances and there is a nice paycheck if he wants back in wrestling--which he is in no hurry to do. For years Bill trained with Tim Catalfo and they may have even co-owned a dojo/gym together. There is novelty in seeing him in one high profile match but not a career. He is a bit old to start in the biz now. Japan would pay good money for Goldberg to do a match--K-1 the most likely place were it to happen. Still, I don't see it happening.

[kowarrior]

I don't see Bill entering mma as he was smart with his wrestling money and isn't hurting. He makes money from tv, public appearances and there is a nice paycheck if he wants back in wrestling--which he is in no hurry to do. For years Bill trained with Tim Catalfo and they may have even co-owned a dojo/gym together. There is novelty in seeing him in one high profile match but not a career. He is a bit old to start in the biz now. Japan would pay good money for Goldberg to do a match--K-1 the most likely place were it to happen. Still, I don't see it happening.

It isn't happening ever. Bill is a very smart man! He's actually set for life financially. And he's in negotiations with TNA wrestling because he loves their product and wants to work in a company which employs alot of his friends from the old WCW like Sting, Kevin Nash and Scott Steiner.

[BigEvilOne]

they are both big names and thats what draws crowds so let them beat each other up

[f2rc]

If it happens it'd Be the first time i'd be rooting for Tank.

I'm betting if Goldberg does get into MMA his undefeated streak would be VEERRRRRY short. :)

[Shaggy2dope]

Goldberg is in great shape..Look at that fat bum tank

I dont think hes gonna start some major career out of this maybe just a few fights.Hes been training MMA type fighting for awhile now.

[themachine]

Tank would knock Goldbergs head into the 24th row. I would have to say KO 1 minute into round 1.

[k-o-t-s]

Tank would KO him quick.

[miked]

I mean if we're going to talk about it, I agree. This wouldn't even be a fight. Tank would destroy him with in seconds. He may not be able to compete with high level MMA fighters, but he will severly injure your common Joe, which is what Goldberg is. He would cripple him.

[ilostmydog]

What's Tank's training? A six-pack, a remote, and a couch?

Use the search function. I posted pics of Tank training for his fight with Yoshida some time ago. His training basically consisted of wearing a Gi, drinking beer, and watching UFC 54. And this was maybe a week or so before his fight. What a maroon.

[j wil]

Goldberg played Professional Football and has taken countless chair shots to the head. I know, wrestling is fake. Those chair shots are not, though.

Man, this is MMA. It's a little different getting hit when it's not pre-planned.

OK, Tank may still have his power. Cabbage? Come on. If there's anyone more sloppy than Tank, it's Cabbage.

What does sloppiness have to do with that fight. The fact is that Cabbage has a head full of cement and Tank KO'd him...badly. Did you actually see this fight. Cabbage was down for quite some time after Tank blasted him.

Goldberg may not hit harder than Tank, but he could definately over power him. He'd have his way with Abbott. I can't see Goldberg actually knocking out Tank, but I still don't see Tank winning.

Overpower Tank? Are you kidding me? Man, I loved Goldberg back in the day too, but let's transfer back into reality now. Tank is incredibly strong (the guy once benched over 600 lbs) and the last thing a fighter will lose is his strength.

It's just my opinion, though. That's what the thread is for. Regardless, it would definately be an entertaining fight.

I agree. The fight would be entertaining...right up until the 30 second mark of the first round where Tank catches Goldberg with a big right and nearly decapitates him.

[BruceLee]

The criticisms I hear about Lesnar more accurately applies to Bill Goldberg.

I'm not sure what his amateur background is but he's no NCAA champion.
He was a fringe player on the Falcons.
He had very limited skill as a Pro Wrestler as they handed him a 117-0 record in matches that were under 1 minute.

Goldberg to me seems like he would have no striking ability and couldn't take a hit like Takada. Perhaps I'm just bitter because I don't understand why this guy was given a 117-0 record with limited ability and average mic skills.

He had cool music which I recently found out was the opening intro music to Vale Tudo Japan 1996-97. I dunno if it was from a movie before that but he definitely modeled himself on some Enter the Dragon/MMA character. But that is not enough for MMA. I see him getting KTFO like Takada was by Tamura.

[robbypark]

Goldberg is a f*cking pussy. Tank will kill him.

Goldberg got into a fight with Chris Jericho backstage and by all accounts, Jericho took Bill to school. Chris freaking Jericho!

Let's also not mention how Goldberg refused to wrestle Toshiaki Kawada in 2004 for the Triple Crown title because he was deathly afraid dangerous "K" would seriously hurt him. Mick Foley had to step in as a last minute replacement.

I repeat, Tank kills Goldberg with a single punch if this fight happens.

[Cbear]

Regardless, if it sells a boatload of tickets and 200,000 ppv buys, its worth it. I don't see that happening though and suspect it would bomb horribly.

[bushidofighter]

And Abbott isn't too old? Bill Goldberg is in phenomenal shape. He looks better than people half his age. I don't doubt that he trains every day just to keep in shape. He's a natural athlete.

What's Tank's training? A six-pack, a remote, and a couch?

so? tank has always been like that, and if this ever happens tank would ko that clown in less than a minute, is like saying that batista or one of those clown-actors so called professinal wrestlers could beat a professional mma artist.

[Delta Mike]

If it does happen I will watch it. No matter the training a punch from Goldberg is still going to be packing a lot of heft to it and he would at least have a strikers chance - right up to the point where Tank started ripping him apart.
Maybe this will lead to a "Senior's MMA" division lol. I would watch that as it would still be entertaining and they wouldn't need to worry about some 20 something monster shattering them.

[ilostmydog]

This match has already happened. Didn't you guys watch WCW??? Goldberg won. LOL!! :p

[miked]

Regardless, if it sells a boatload of tickets and 200,000 ppv buys, its worth it. I don't see that happening though and suspect it would bomb horribly.

I can see criticism by allowing an amateur in the ring such as Goldberg. I think the UFC would be smart enough to avoid that. This would be like a hockey fight. Garbage.

[miked]

The criticisms I hear about Lesnar more accurately applies to Bill Goldberg.

I'm not sure what his amateur background is but he's no NCAA champion.
He was a fringe player on the Falcons.
He had very limited skill as a Pro Wrestler as they handed him a 117-0 record in matches that were under 1 minute.

Goldberg to me seems like he would have no striking ability and couldn't take a hit like Takada. Perhaps I'm just bitter because I don't understand why this guy was given a 117-0 record with limited ability and average mic skills.

He had cool music which I recently found out was the opening intro music to Vale Tudo Japan 1996-97. I dunno if it was from a movie before that but he definitely modeled himself on some Enter the Dragon/MMA character. But that is not enough for MMA. I see him getting KTFO like Takada was by Tamura.

I agree. Goldberg is just a professional wrestler. Thats it. Brock is a world class wrestler that has the foundations to become a respectable mixed martial artsmen.

[ChokeTillHeTaps]

I HATE Goldberg. But after the stories I have heard about his raw power, and brute force, if its true he has a black belt in BJJ, i think Goldberg would win. Hell, he retired Bret Hart simply by botching a kick in wrestling. Hit Bret so hard it gave him a nasty concussion which ended up retiring him. Now imagine if he caught him with a kick that was actually meant to do damage.

[mojo]

I think if Bill can avoid getting knocked out long enough to secure a takedown he could beat Tank. Goldberg is freakishly strong. He threw around Big Show and Reese like nothing and both of those guys 400+ pounds. Admitedly that's not the same as being in a real fight but that is ridiculous power. Also Chris Jericho trained in the Hart Family Dungeon, and they train shoot wrestling too. And from what I heard Jericho was able to secure a front face lock before they were seperated and that's hardly the same as being taken to school.

[mojo]

Oops-Double post.

[Cbear]

I HATE Goldberg. But after the stories I have heard about his raw power, and brute force, if its true he has a black belt in BJJ, i think Goldberg would win. Hell, he retired Bret Hart simply by botching a kick in wrestling. Hit Bret so hard it gave him a nasty concussion which ended up retiring him. Now imagine if he caught him with a kick that was actually meant to do damage.

I have my doubts of Bill having a belt of any kind but it is true that one potato shot ended Brets career. Goldberg kicked the poor guy into retirement.

[JC-Freakhead]

Ending someones career in pro wrestling is nothing else than a sign of lack of motor skills. If someone just stands there waiting to get kicked or punched it's not that hard to land a damaging blow...

As soon as Goldberg came into the reach of Tank it would be good night Mr Goldberg, sweet dreams. Being hit over the head with a plastic chair is hardly the same thing as being hit by a tank. As far as I know, even Jean-Claude van Damme has more of a fighting background than Goldberg.