View Full Version : gregg doyel doesn't like UFC scoring
troyk
10-22-2007, 01:18 AM
well, duh. in case you don't know, doyel used to be the lead college basketball editor for cbssportsline and now is the main sports editor. he ran a column back after 68 saying "i freakin love the ufc". anyhoo, he sounds off on the scoring problem w/ the ufc. can't say i disagree.
http://cbs.sportsline.com/columns/story/10423232/1
ilostmydog
10-22-2007, 01:31 AM
Someone should tell homeboy that the judges are employed and selected by the state AC's, not the UFC. And in the end this really isn't a big deal nor a critique of the scoring system. Basically what he says is that he doesn't like it when judges add up their scores incorrectly. Wow. What a ****ing incredible thought. He should get paid for putting that to paper.
troyk
10-22-2007, 01:34 AM
Someone should tell homeboy that the judges are employed and selected by the state AC's, not the UFC. And in the end this really isn't a big deal nor a critique of the scoring system. Basically what he says is that he doesn't like it when judges add up their scores incorrectly. Wow. What a ****ing incredible thought. He should get paid for putting that to paper.
yeah, he also botched the deal w/ yushin okami's name. i'm not saying he's 100% right, i'm merely pointing out that a big name editor is bashing the 10-point must system. if that system is revamped for mma, everybody wins.
ilostmydog
10-22-2007, 01:39 AM
He's not bashing the 10-point must system, re-read the article. He doesn't even bring it up. He's bashing the fact that sometimes judges miscalculate their scores.
ilostmydog
10-22-2007, 01:46 AM
And also, LOL @ saying this has been going on for years and only being able to come up with two examples in the past decade, including one (UFC 22) that was before Zuffa, unified rules, and regulation. Off the top of my head I can think of only one other example of this, and that's Melendez/Guida in StrikeForce, where some judge turned in the his score card scoring it 49-46 Guida, then later said he was mistaken and meant to score that for Melendez.
Maybe Texas Instruments could get in on sponsoring and provide them with TI-83s so they can perform simple addition.
"And now we go to the Judges Texas Instruments scorecards. Judge So an So scored the bout 10+9+10, which is 29, to 9+10+9, which is 28,.... Grice.
Judge Cecil Peoples somehow managed to screw things up and scored the bout 30 to xUCos-1."
Don't Japanese people prefer to be addressed by their family name first? Maybe that was the case with Mr. Okami Yushin.
troyk
10-22-2007, 01:48 PM
He's not bashing the 10-point must system, re-read the article. He doesn't even bring it up. He's bashing the fact that sometimes judges miscalculate their scores.
either way, i'm happy a big name editor is trashing the judges/system/whatever. i'm not sure why you are attacking the article, since i can't fathom anybody that actually enjoys the current system in place today.
Roundhouse
10-22-2007, 02:06 PM
either way, i'm happy a big name editor is trashing the judges/system/whatever. i'm not sure why you are attacking the article, since i can't fathom anybody that actually enjoys the current system in place today.
He's merely saying it's not really worth talking about. It's happened like twice in the history of the sport, no big deal. Had the article been about the 10 point must system, it may have been more valid.
ilostmydog
10-22-2007, 03:09 PM
either way, i'm happy a big name editor is trashing the judges/system/whatever. i'm not sure why you are attacking the article, since i can't fathom anybody that actually enjoys the current system in place today.
I'm trashing the article because it really is quite pointless. I don't understand how you can't see that the article itself does nothing to trash the judging system in place today. He says nothing about the 10-point must system, how it isn't that great for MMA, blah, or whatever. All he says is that they miscounted the scores for one fight on Saturday before correcting it, and have done so twice before in the past 10 years. It's not even worth noting.
troyk
10-22-2007, 03:30 PM
I'm trashing the article because it really is quite pointless. I don't understand how you can't see that the article itself does nothing to trash the judging system in place today. He says nothing about the 10-point must system, how it isn't that great for MMA, blah, or whatever. All he says is that they miscounted the scores for one fight on Saturday before correcting it, and have done so twice before in the past 10 years. It's not even worth noting.
so a major news outlet putting up an article about the UFC isn't even worth noting? sorry, maybe i should PM you links to articles that i may want to post in the future for your approval.
ilostmydog
10-22-2007, 03:36 PM
so a major news outlet putting up an article about the UFC isn't even worth noting? sorry, maybe i should PM you links to articles that i may want to post in the future for your approval.
Why don't you continue to post poorly researched and written opinion pieces, completely miss the point the author was trying to make (however trivial that point may be), and then act oblivious when people run down the article you've posted. You won't even need my permission. :)
cheeto101
10-22-2007, 03:47 PM
Now children, be nice :p
How much control does Dana have over these **** ups? isnt this all the athletic commisions show?
mixer
10-22-2007, 04:32 PM
Someone should tell homeboy that the judges are employed and selected by the state AC's, not the UFC.
AFAIK only one judge of three is selected by AC. UFC chooses other two.
Do you think the UFC could have any say in regards to having MMA judging as a whole overhauled, or redone?
troyk
10-22-2007, 05:33 PM
Now children, be nice :p
How much control does Dana have over these **** ups? isnt this all the athletic commisions show?
i would think he has a pretty big say in what goes on. if he or the UFC/Zuffa in general requested an overhaul of the scoring system and perhaps forcing future judges to take a few classes of mma 101, i would like to think the AC would listen.
cheeto101
10-22-2007, 05:34 PM
Do you think the UFC could have any say in regards to having MMA judging as a whole overhauled, or redone?
I would think so, I mean the judges do try to judge according to the laid out criteria for winning a match which I believe is dictated by the UFC. As long as its not something that requires medical clearance by the athletic commision (knees to the ground etc) I would think that the UFC can change whatever rules they want, including criteria for winning a fight.
Now I dont think they can choose their judges tho (like I dont think Dana could tell the athletic comission to stop sending Cecil Peoples to judge)
AFAIK only one judge of three is selected by AC. UFC chooses other two.
Where's this info coming from? We have always heard otherwise. Either way they are not employed by the UFC.
ilostmydog
10-22-2007, 06:12 PM
Yeah man. Judges, referees, timekeepers, and doctors are all independent contractors working for the athletic commission. The UFC doesn't pick them.
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