Overeem in talks with UFC & Affliction [Archive]

E5150

01-02-2009, 03:01 PM

http://dreamfighters.com/?p=1037

DreamFighters.com: What is next for you? UFC, Lesnar, Fedor, what?

Alistair Overeem: Well I chellenged Bonjaksy on k-1 rules and yes Fedor and lesnar or on my list, Mir as well!

DreamFighters.com: Who would you like to fight next?

Alistair Overeem: I am going on a holiday as I really trained hard whole 2008, beginning of february I will start training again, my management is in negotiations now, I might visit the UFC in Ireland on January 17th.

DreamFighters.com: Have you had any talks with Dana White or the UFC - Any interest fighting for the UFC or Affliction?

Alistair Overeem: My management has been in contact with Affliction as well as the UFC, I am a fighter and i concentrate on fighting, I am very happy with Golden Glory!

Hope everyone in UFC has a high-quality cup.

Ash

01-02-2009, 03:15 PM

Him and Kongo needs to happen. Special guest ref, Keith Hackey. Winner gets to do a handicap match against Cro Cop and Joe Son.

thelegend

01-02-2009, 03:16 PM

Rematch with Chuck at hw!

Make it happen Dana

Serialkilla

01-02-2009, 03:28 PM

With chucks chin now suspect this would be a great way to get overeem over.

Onion

01-02-2009, 04:16 PM

I have always thought Overeem would get over well in the UFC. There some matchups I'd love to see him in, especially Chuck again.

I wonder if he would he go back to LHW???

GeoffWorldOrder

01-02-2009, 04:24 PM

I have always thought Overeem would get over well in the UFC. There some matchups I'd love to see him in, especially Chuck again.

I wonder if he would he go back to LHW???

I think Overeem would fit in nicely with the UFC. However, myself and a lot of others thought the same thing about Cro-Cop.
I think he'd go back to LHW if the money was right, but I think I would rather see him in the HW division.

Jay

01-02-2009, 04:54 PM

With how he's been looking lately, I think he'd tear right through the UFC HW division.

Onion

01-02-2009, 04:58 PM

With how he's been looking lately, I think he'd tear right through the UFC HW division.

He's huge now!
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9135/overeemtimelinecv9.jpg

Ash

01-02-2009, 05:14 PM

Yeah, I don't think there's any way Overeem could make 205 now.

thelegend

01-02-2009, 05:20 PM

Yeah, I don't think there's any way Overeem could make 205 now.

He could cut off a leg!

What did he weigh in at for his last fight?

Onion

01-02-2009, 05:20 PM

Yeah, I don't think there's any way Overeem could make 205 now.

Yeah. I think those days are behind him.
He weighed 253lbs on NYE.

Ash

01-02-2009, 05:21 PM

No clue. If I had to guess, going by his height and build, I'd say he's nearing the 250 mark.

EDIT: Didn't see Onion's post. Pretty good guess, of 250.

celluliteradio

01-02-2009, 05:21 PM

Cutting always seemed to drain him even when he was smaller. He'd probably die while walking to the scale these days.

thelegend

01-02-2009, 05:26 PM

Its not as if he is carrying fat to help him shred down either!

There were rumours elsewhere about him juicing tho, what u think

Ash

01-02-2009, 05:28 PM

I dunno man, I don't wanna speculate. Anyone with a large build, you always have assholes claiming they juice, and then a seperate entity of morons that claim every fighter does. Best to just leave such talk until a guy gets busted.

thelegend

01-02-2009, 05:31 PM

I'll state right away I don't think he is, I was just saying the rumour was doing the rounds

sportsgenius86

01-02-2009, 05:40 PM

It seems like a logical progression in build if you look at the timeline. He really is huge now though.

thelegend

01-02-2009, 05:46 PM

It seems like a logical progression in build if you look at the timeline. He really is huge now though.

His guns r huge! Lol

Jeremy

01-02-2009, 05:50 PM

I doubt he fights in the UFC, but I would kill for it.

Jay

01-02-2009, 05:57 PM

I don't think he's juicing. If you follow his looks and his weight, he's put on at least 40+ lbs since his LHW days and it shows~

Onion

01-02-2009, 06:36 PM

It seems like a logical progression in build if you look at the timeline. He really is huge now though.

If you follow his looks and his weight, he's put on at least 40+ lbs since his LHW days and it shows~

You also gotta consider, that timeline is from age 23-28. Every guy I know gets bigger during that period. (some for the better, some for the worse, lol).

Even his face/jaw is huge now.

niniendowarrior

01-02-2009, 06:42 PM

Several thoughts:

1. The pictures shown don't prove anything unless some context is placed on the pictures. For instance, what weight class was Alistair fighting in when those pics were snapped. He looks big right now but of course he looks big. He came in at heavyweight.

2. Alistair to me seems like a good fighter but never one to really 'make' it. When he's about to, he starts sputtering. Just like the time he was in the final four in the Pride GP only to have Shogun smash him.

3. He displayed great skills in the stand up against Badr Hari and he dominated Crocop prior to the nut job. But are these really the benchmark fights you'd look and say he's going to be a tear in the UFC heavyweight division? I'm not even sure how he'll do at light heavyweight. He could be like Brandon Vera when he jumps to UFC... too big for LHW and too small for HW.

Jeremy

01-02-2009, 06:50 PM

Don't expect that to happen though. I highly doubt FEG is going to let him go now.

I see cardio as an issue for him too. He gassed when he fought Kheritonov last year.

BruceLee

01-02-2009, 06:57 PM

Won't happen.

Alistair is too dangerous for Lesnar right now. Alistair has better standup then Lesnar and also pretty good submissions so Lesnar would be screwed since he wouldn't want to stand or go to the ground. Overeem also has the size now.

From a Dana White, UFC, money making perspective you want to keep the multi-dimensional good HW's away from the UFC while Lesnar still develops (Arlovski, Tim Sylvia, Werdum, Overeem). You don't want to have Lesnar get crushed while he is still a work in progress, that would be bad for the UFC.

thelegend

01-02-2009, 07:04 PM

Is he really only 28? He has plenty time to progress further then.

Was he ranked in any1's top 10 in the other thread a few days back?

He'll be a force to be reckoned with over next 2 years I think.

I'm predicting big things for him

BruceLee

01-02-2009, 07:06 PM

Onion

01-02-2009, 07:15 PM

If he continues to grow like this he will be as big as Bob Sapp.

only talented.

sportsgenius86

01-02-2009, 07:22 PM

xxTapoutxx

01-02-2009, 07:46 PM

i like overeem

the UFC would be dumb not to try and get him, hes only 28 and is getting better with every fight

niniendowarrior

01-02-2009, 07:54 PM

Won't happen.

Alistair is too dangerous for Lesnar right now. Alistair has better standup then Lesnar and also pretty good submissions so Lesnar would be screwed since he wouldn't want to stand or go to the ground. Overeem also has the size now.

You serious? Overeem may have size now in comparison to how he's appeared before but I doubt he'll be able to match Lesnar in terms of mass: power ratio. I'd say Lesnar will have his way on Overeem when he shoots in and Overeem will attempt one of his dreaded guillotines... only that Lesnar's neck is too tiny from all the muscle.

BruceLee

01-02-2009, 07:58 PM

Huh???????????????????

I dunno if you've noticed but there are alot of one dimensional guys in the UFC Heavyweight Division like Kongo, Carwin and Hardonk and that new 6-8 European guy they just signed.

I think that's great for Lesnar because Lesnar is still developing his game and needs more experience before fighting tougher guys like Barnett, Arlvoski, Fedor, Werdum, Tim Sylvia and Overreem.

In my opinion right now Gonzaga is the most dangerous for Lesnar and need to be kept away from him. The One dimensional Kongo is also dangerous because he can match Lesnar's reach and there is a chance, however unlikely that it could get ugly like Anthony Johnson-Tommy Speer.

I think Dana's doing a great job of building the UFC HW divsion for Lesnar to have a long HW Champion Reign. In about two-three years Lesnar should be ready to face the top guys outside the UFC IMO.

BruceLee

01-02-2009, 08:02 PM

You serious? Overeem may have size now in comparison to how he's appeared before but I doubt he'll be able to match Lesnar in terms of mass: power ratio. I'd say Lesnar will have his way on Overeem when he shoots in and Overeem will attempt one of his dreaded guillotines... only that Lesnar's neck is too tiny from all the muscle.

I am serious, why wouldn't I be.

Overeem at 254 lbs, is only giving up about 30 lbs to Lesnar. I think you have to at least be 250 lbs to survive Lesnar' pure power and wrestling ability.

Someone in the 220 lbs to 245 lbs range is just too small for Lesnar and is going to be manhandled.

BruceLee

01-02-2009, 08:11 PM

I will add.

Let's put it this way.

Overeem at 254 lbs is 91% of Lesnar's body weight of 280 lbs. That's like someone who is 185 lbs fighting someone who is 168 lbs. So a MW fighting a WW.
You can hang with someone who is a weight class below you if your skill level and experience level is much higher.

Now take someone like Couture at 225 lbs. = 80% of Lesnar's body weight. That's a 185 lber facing a 148 lber or more than two weight classses. A MW fighting a LW. No wonder Couture got tooled.

sportsgenius86

01-02-2009, 08:13 PM

I dunno if you've noticed but there are alot of one dimensional guys in the UFC Heavyweight Division like Kongo, Carwin and Hardonk and that new 6-8 European guy they just signed.

I think that's great for Lesnar because Lesnar is still developing his game and needs more experience before fighting tougher guys like Barnett, Arlvoski, Fedor, Werdum, Tim Sylvia and Overreem.

In my opinion right now Gonzaga is the most dangerous for Lesnar and need to be kept away from him. The One dimensional Kongo is also dangerous because he can match Lesnar's reach and there is a chance, however unlikely that it could get ugly like Anthony Johnson-Tommy Speer.

I think Dana's doing a great job of building the UFC HW divsion for Lesnar to have a long HW Champion Reign. In about two-three years Lesnar should be ready to face the top guys outside the UFC IMO.

No no no, I completely understood and agree with your main point.

My problem was with saying multi-dimensional then adding Tim Sylvia.

BruceLee

01-02-2009, 08:14 PM

No no no, I completely understood and agree with your main point.

My problem was with saying multi-dimensional then adding Tim Sylvia.

Yeah I suppose I was being too generous to the Big Goober. Let's put it this way, Tim Sylvia at his Size, and with his decent striking and Experience wouldn't be someone I would match up right away against a green and inexperienced Lesnar.

Ash

01-02-2009, 08:16 PM

I'm still not sold on the new Overeem. He's been really inconsistent in the past, knocking out Hari is super impressive, but let's see how he does against a legit HW in MMA. Best guy he fought in the past few years had him running away scared before he was KO'd (Sergei).

niniendowarrior

01-02-2009, 08:18 PM

BruceLee

01-02-2009, 08:22 PM

Interesting theory although I'd say Overeem needs a bit more heft to face Bart.

Lesnar - Oveereem is like GSP/Thiago Alves facing Anderson Silva/Rich Franklin.

Lesnar - Couture is like Uriah Faber facing Anderson Silva/Rich Franklin.

troyk

01-02-2009, 08:25 PM

Ash

01-02-2009, 08:33 PM

overeem is still pretty young. its not inconceivable to think that he has actually improved during his 20s.

Yeah, fair enough. I'm not saying he's not better, or won't get better, but I'd like to see him beat a legit HW in MMA before heralding him the 2nd coming.

BruceLee

01-02-2009, 08:47 PM

Yeah, fair enough. I'm not saying he's not better, or won't get better, but I'd like to see him beat a legit HW in MMA before heralding him the 2nd coming.

I don't think he is the second coming at all. But at this point in Lesnar's development, Overeem might be too much for him. And style wise it's a bad match up for Lesnar.

I think Overeem would have a harder time against the more well rounded big HWs such as Barnett, Arlsovski, Fedor, Werdum.

Gomi

01-03-2009, 02:44 AM

Yeah, fair enough. I'm not saying he's not better, or won't get better, but I'd like to see him beat a legit HW in MMA before heralding him the 2nd coming.

That's not what you want, trust me.

Devastating KOs INC to your favorite Heavyweights

The Juggernaut

01-03-2009, 02:52 AM

Lesnar would end Overeem.

BruceLee

01-03-2009, 03:02 AM

Lesnar would end Overeem.

Eventually yes but you don't want to take chances at this point.

The worst thing that can happen is something like Anthony Johnson (Striker) - Tommy Speer (Powerful Wrestler). Speer basically retired after that.

The Juggernaut

01-03-2009, 03:11 AM

Eventually yes but you don't want to take chances at this point.

The worst thing that can happen is something like Anthony Johnson (Striker) - Tommy Speer (Powerful Wrestler). Speer basically retired after that.

I don't think it's as big of a risk as you make it seem.

His only possible hope is to catch lesnar, where as Anthony Johnson is an all around better fighter/athlete than Speer.

Overeem isn't that good. He poses about the same threat to catch Fedor as he does to catch Lesnar.

guyincognito

01-03-2009, 07:13 PM

Him and Kongo needs to happen. Special guest ref, Keith Hackey. Winner gets to do a handicap match against Cro Cop and Joe Son.

If Mercer can take a shot at MMA why not bring in Andrew Golota and no small cell phones. Just the 80's brick cell phones allowed!

Jordan.

01-03-2009, 07:42 PM

Eventually yes but you don't want to take chances at this point.

The worst thing that can happen is something like Anthony Johnson (Striker) - Tommy Speer (Powerful Wrestler). Speer basically retired after that.

This is such an absurd analogy. Brock Lesnar isn't some random farmboy Dana White found at the YMCA, and he isn't going to run away from fighting after a fight with Alistair Overeem of all people. Seriously, other than lose to 205-pound Brazilian dudes, what has Overeem ever done? And I don't care about his Dynamite fight against a dude who fought 3-times in one night 3 weeks ago.

BruceLee

01-03-2009, 08:15 PM

This is such an absurd analogy. Brock Lesnar isn't some random farmboy Dana White found at the YMCA, and he isn't going to run away from fighting after a fight with Alistair Overeem of all people. Seriously, other than lose to 205-pound Brazilian dudes, what has Overeem ever done? And I don't care about his Dynamite fight against a dude who fought 3-times in one night 3 weeks ago.

Not absurd at all. I dunno why you are crying about it.

Maybe you're not up on current events but he tooled CroCop before the groin shots, and CroCop said in his interview that he thinks Overeem is the only guy who could beat Fedor.

By the way, Lesnar is a farmboy.

Onion

01-03-2009, 08:32 PM

Not absurd at all. I dunno why you are crying about it.

Maybe you're not up on current events but he tooled CroCop before the groin shots, and CroCop said in his interview that he thinks Overeem is the only guy who could beat Fedor.

By the way, Lesnar is a farmboy.

I never heard that. He actually said that about another fighter?

Ash

01-03-2009, 08:34 PM

I never heard that. He actually said that about another fighter?

Cro Cop said he'd beat Fedor. Shows what he knows, I guess.

seansloan

01-03-2009, 11:25 PM

Gomi

01-03-2009, 11:46 PM

I see him coming to the UFC then a half hour show about how great he is.I call my friends and say you have to see this guy he is fantastic!Then a fat out of shape Overeem shows up and gets knocked out in two minutes.I looked like an ass with Crocop and Rua,Im not doing it again

It looks like Alistair is taking his physique/conditioning very seriously lately.

He is looking real sharp and I wouldn't count him out in any fight atm.

BruceLee

01-04-2009, 12:23 AM

I never heard that. He actually said that about another fighter?

This was pretty recent but I don't think CroCop wants to fight a 254 lbs Overeem anymore.

"He knocked out Hari with ease and he’s probably the only one in the world who can confront Fyodor” - said Mirko. "

http://sportal.vecernji.hr/vld/sportal/ostalo/borilacki/3209320/index.do;jsessionid=2E5E1FFF6D227DA6839C804BB7F526 64.1

Gomi

01-04-2009, 12:27 AM

Thanks for the quote, Bruce.

Boost my ego yall

wgrapple

01-04-2009, 12:30 AM

This was pretty recent but I don't think CroCop wants to fight a 254 lbs Overeem anymore.

"He knocked out Hari with ease and he’s probably the only one in the world who can confront Fyodor” - said Mirko. "

http://sportal.vecernji.hr/vld/sportal/ostalo/borilacki/3209320/index.do;jsessionid=2E5E1FFF6D227DA6839C804BB7F526 64.1

Overeem has looked great the last year but I'm not sold on him being even a top 10 HW MMA fighter right now.

He finished a few washed up HWs last year which was great but I'd still like to see how he does against a tougher opponent.

Gomi

01-04-2009, 12:30 AM

Mirko wants no part of that. I have been saying that for how long now ?

And a big **** you to Shamrocked for changing the title of my Overeem thread.

BruceLee

01-04-2009, 12:32 AM

Overeem has looked great the last year but I'm not sold on him being even a top 10 HW MMA fighter right now.

He finished a few washed up HWs last year which was great but I'd still like to see how he does against a tougher opponent.

His Cardio is gonna be the question. The same question everyone keeps bringing up agaisnt Lesnar.

That you won't know till he is tested and brought into the later rounds.

I think he will enter the K-1 WGP, and face Bonjasky, rematch with Hari, maybe even Schilt. He may become the new Jerome LeBanner at the rate he is growing.

BruceLee

01-04-2009, 12:33 AM

Mirko wants no part of that. I have been saying that for how long now ?

And a big **** you to Shamrocked for changing the title of my Overeem thread.

When he fought Mirko Overeem was like 240 lbs.

Now he is friggin 254 lbs and huge. Mirko probably felt he might be able to handle a 240 lbs Alistair but a 254 lbs Alistar, no way, he would get thrown around worse then he did last time.

wgrapple

01-04-2009, 12:34 AM

His Cardio is gonna be the question. The same question everyone keeps bringing up agaisnt Lesnar.

That you won't know till he is tested and brought into the later rounds.

I think he will enter the K-1 WGP, and face Bonjasky, rematch with Hari, maybe even Schilt. He may become the new Jerome LeBanner at the rate he is growing.

I hope he goes the K-1 route because I really don't see him beating the top HWs in MMA...not to say he can't but I don't see it happening.

Gomi

01-04-2009, 12:35 AM

When he fought Mirko Overeem was like 240 lbs.

Now he is friggin 254 lbs and huge. Mirko probably felt he might be able to handle a 240 lbs Alistair but a 254 lbs Alistar, no way, he would get thrown around worse then he did last time.

He is carrying the weight VERY well too, I'd like to add.

BruceLee

01-04-2009, 12:38 AM

I hope he goes the K-1 route because I really don't see him beating the top HWs in MMA...not to say he can't but I don't see it happening.

I think he could wreak havoc in the UFC HW division but then again it really doesn't contain the top HWs.

Lesnar's the cash cow for Dana, the #1 PPV guy, I wouldn't risk having him lose and Alistair is dangerous. Lesnar needs a couple more years to get his sub and striking game to the point where he will dominate for sure.

Valour5

01-04-2009, 05:16 AM

He would have to seriously reconsider certain aspects of his nutrition intake if he was to come to the states to fight if he wanted to make it more than a "one off".... :rolleyes::wink:

The Juggernaut

01-04-2009, 05:17 AM

Lesnar needs a couple more years to get his sub and striking game to the point where he will dominate for sure.

Lesnar will dominate right now. He would KILL Overeem.

wgrapple

01-04-2009, 02:42 PM

Lesnar will dominate right now. He would KILL Overeem.

Is this before or after Mir beats him again?

The Juggernaut

01-04-2009, 04:24 PM

Is this before or after Mir beats him again?

Want to make a bet on that fight now that I won't be having to do a Lesnar v. Nog bet with Strongo any time soon?

Lord Strongo

01-04-2009, 09:28 PM

Want to make a bet on that fight now that I won't be having to do a Lesnar v. Nog bet with Strongo any time soon?

you chicken shiit bitch!! that bet would never happen because we both know who wins.

Vanno

01-04-2009, 09:43 PM

Overeem has looked really good, and more well rounded, lately. He is still pretty damn young too. UFC should make every effort to pick him up. He'd be an immediate threat to the division, and probably wouldn't command the hugest salary either.

Cbear

01-04-2009, 09:49 PM

Overeems striking could be interesting in the UFC. He is alot more well rounded than Kongo and at this point is Hulk sized maybe bigger than Kongo. He would be a fun addition. Thats if he has his Hulk nutrition under control as was previously pointed out.

The Juggernaut

01-05-2009, 01:40 AM

you chicken shiit bitch!! that bet would never happen because we both know who wins.

Not my fault that your boy didn't live up to his side of the deal.:twisted:

jimboh

01-20-2009, 05:22 AM

More news on this:

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/european-throwdown-ufc-93-aftermath-15830

Him and Schilt were in Ireland to discuss a possible move to the UFC.

Snapcat

01-20-2009, 08:05 AM

I think he could wreak havoc in the UFC HW division but then again it really doesn't contain the top HWs.

Lesnar's the cash cow for Dana, the #1 PPV guy, I wouldn't risk having him lose and Alistair is dangerous. Lesnar needs a couple more years to get his sub and striking game to the point where he will dominate for sure.

They should be signing all the top talent no matter who it threatens, I hate how buiness gets in the way of this. Look at what the deep WW and LHW division has don't for the UFC, they should be striving for talent in every division. Also, Brock isn't a spring chicken and with big guys, they detriorate pretty quickly once they get into their mid 30s. Except Randy.

DOC_JJ

01-20-2009, 08:58 AM

UFC definitely needs to sign Overeem. He is a powerful and dangerous striker, and would bring a lot of exciting match-ups to the UFC HW division. Not to mention, he isn't that well known here in the states, so the UFC could spend plenty of time building him up and getting him over before matching him up with Lesnar.

Last time I saw Overeem fight was in Strikeforce in San Jose against Vitor Belfort. It would be great to see him fighting in the States again.

LiveinTokyo

01-20-2009, 09:10 AM

He seemed pretty keen on Dana's blog to go to the UFC if the money was right. Gotta get your re$$$pect right from the beginning if you wanna deal with the devil:)

Roundhouse

01-20-2009, 09:33 AM

He seemed pretty keen on Dana's blog to go to the UFC if the money was right. Gotta get your re$$$pect right from the beginning if you wanna deal with the devil:)

He definitely seemed more keen than Semmy did.

LiveinTokyo

01-20-2009, 09:36 AM

He definitely seemed more keen than Semmy did.

Yeah - I think Semmy wants to stay in K1 where he has been dominating up till this year. He is OK at MMA, but will never be as good as he is a kickboxing.

Onion

01-21-2009, 12:20 PM

Overeem on UFC: (http://www.fightersonlymagazine.co.uk/news/viewarticle.php?id=1705)
"We will have to see what contract they offer me and if the money is right then yes, I am definitely interested."

BruceLee

01-21-2009, 01:30 PM

They should be signing all the top talent no matter who it threatens, I hate how buiness gets in the way of this. Look at what the deep WW and LHW division has don't for the UFC, they should be striving for talent in every division. Also, Brock isn't a spring chicken and with big guys, they detriorate pretty quickly once they get into their mid 30s. Except Randy.

They wouldn't have gotten rid of Werdum, Arlvoski and Tim Sylvia if they really believed that.

Onion

01-21-2009, 03:03 PM

They wouldn't have gotten rid of Werdum, Arlvoski and Tim Sylvia if they really believed that.

In fairness, they didn't want to lose Arlovski, but they could not in their right mind match that contract, and Arlovski wanting to box was the breaking point.