Silva is da man! Anyone care to argue?

[Tony Montana]

There's absolutely no 205 pounder that can stand up with Silva. Vitor would pose an interesting rematch, but I think Silva just has too many weapons and power for him now. Silva showed excellent submission escapes vs. Yoshida. He also showed some good BJJ of his own! He's the complete package.

Here's how I'd compare Silva to the field;

Couture - 50/50. Because Randy's wrestling skills may neutralize Silva's power and much more entertaining stand up fighting style.

Tito - 60/40 in favor of Silva. I don't think Tito's going to be able to take Silva down as easily as before. If they're standing, Tito's a deadman.

Rampage - 60/40 in favor of Silva. Rampage needs to take Silva down and keep him down. Rampage has an excellent chin (as he proved in the finals) but cannot survive Sivla's stand up for too long. Rampage needs to learn some more Muy Thai defense and offense.

Vitor - 65/35 in favor of Silva. If Silva survives the first minute, Vitor will be in big trouble.

Yoshida - 70/30 in favor of Silva. I don't think Yoshida will give Silva as much trouble next time. Silva will be even more prepared next time. Just look at the second round of that fight. Silva made the necessary adjustments and dominated.

Chuck - 80/20 in favor of Silva. I don't see Chuck posing much of a threat. The only reason I give him 20% chance is because he's got that one punch chance.

[claymore]

Other than Couture, I think Silva would plow through them all.

[JamesMcBee]

i completely agree

james-

[robbypark]

I too have Silva as my #1 ranked fighter. It would be interesting to see all the rankings for each weight class right now, but I'm going to wait with the rankings and pickings that I let everyone know about before, until the board situation has all been resolved.

[porkstar]

Silva was good but Yoshida should have won and award. Liddell had a very disappointing performance and I'm sure Dana White's not too happy about it. Both Yoshida and Silva really showed what they were made of. Yoshida gave Silva one of the hardest fights Silva has ever encountered and Silva dominated Rampage for the victory even though he was more winded than him.

[Shamrocked]

Man this sucks, I was nearing 1,000 posts! :evil: Anyway, I can't believe that monkey Silva actually beat Rampage. I will finally give him props though. Although I'm not entirely convinced that he deserved the decision against Yoshida, he left no question in dominating Jackson. This is the first fight that Silva has genuinely impressed me in. The Sak fights had as much to do with Sak's poor judement and poor conditioning (fragile) as they did Silva, and his head butt victory over Mezger was bull****. I really didn't think he stood a chance against Quentin, but he can't be denied this time. I just wish that people would quit trying to stand with him and use their strengths like Yoshida did. If Quentin had continued to take Silva down I firmly believe he would have beaten him. It was interesting to see Silva's submission attempts for a change though.

[robbypark]

Man this sucks, I was nearing 1,000 posts! :evil: Anyway, I can't believe that monkey Silva actually beat Rampage. I will finally give him props though. Although I'm not entirely convinced that he deserved the decision against Yoshida, he left no question in dominating Jackson. This is the first fight that Silva has genuinely impressed me in. The Sak fights had as much to do with Sak's poor judement and poor conditioning (fragile) as they did Silva, and his head butt victory over Mezger was bull****. I really didn't think he stood a chance against Quentin, but he can't be denied this time. I just wish that people would quit trying to stand with him and use their strengths like Yoshida did. If Quentin had continued to take Silva down I firmly believe he would have beaten him. It was interesting to see Silva's submission attempts for a change though.

I was over 2000...... :(

But anyway, I don't if we're moving to this board or not for sure. I sent a PM to the admin about our old message board because believe it or not, it's still intact so you just might have all your posts back.

[just Brian]

Congrats to Silva. Although I always root against him, I must give him credit - he's a great champion, and has earned the status as the best at 205 pounds.

[dogofwar]

I would care to argue..

First, Yoshida won that fight, he controlled 12 minutes of the fight, had 4 take daown including that beautiful judo throw...Silva busted up his nose but that was it..

I was glad Silva got the decision that he didn't deserve since I wanted Rampage and Silva..

Then Rampage who took Silva down with relative ease and has pounding on him gets the fight stood back up for no god dam reason. Silva wasn't fighting enough? No **** he was get beat up on..how can a yellow card save you from a ground and pound beating??? Bull****!!

Rampage was clearly pissed and got caught w/ a great knee going to the take down. I will give it to Silva, when he smells blood he goes for the kill..

But I want a rematch w/ Silva and Rampage. And I scored the fight for Yoshida..

So up until the knee at the end, Silva hadn't looked good or impressive the entire night.

Yoshida really showed his ass last night.

[porkstar]

I would care to argue..

First, Yoshida won that fight, he controlled 12 minutes of the fight, had 4 take daown including that beautiful judo throw...Silva busted up his nose but that was it..

I was glad Silva got the decision that he didn't deserve since I wanted Rampage and Silva..

Then Rampage who took Silva down with relative ease and has pounding on him gets the fight stood back up for no god dam reason. Silva wasn't fighting enough? No **** he was get beat up on..how can a yellow card save you from a ground and pound beating??? Bull****!!

Rampage was clearly pissed and got caught w/ a great knee going to the take down. I will give it to Silva, when he smells blood he goes for the kill..

But I want a rematch w/ Silva and Rampage. And I scored the fight for Yoshida..

So up until the knee at the end, Silva hadn't looked good or impressive the entire night.

Yoshida really showed his ass last night.

I don't understand you. If you think Yoshida really did win the fight, then Yoshida and Silva should fight again. Yoshida proved he's better than Rampage then.

[just Brian]

I would care to argue..

First, Yoshida won that fight, he controlled 12 minutes of the fight, had 4 take daown including that beautiful judo throw...Silva busted up his nose but that was it..

I was glad Silva got the decision that he didn't deserve since I wanted Rampage and Silva..

Then Rampage who took Silva down with relative ease and has pounding on him gets the fight stood back up for no god dam reason. Silva wasn't fighting enough? No **** he was get beat up on..how can a yellow card save you from a ground and pound beating??? Bull****!!

Rampage was clearly pissed and got caught w/ a great knee going to the take down. I will give it to Silva, when he smells blood he goes for the kill..

But I want a rematch w/ Silva and Rampage. And I scored the fight for Yoshida..

So up until the knee at the end, Silva hadn't looked good or impressive the entire night.

Yoshida really showed his ass last night.

I haven't heard these criticisms before. I havn't seen the event yet either. Sounds very interesting. I can't wait to see the fights!

[dogofwar]

I wouldn't complain if Yoshida would get a title shot, but I doubt he wants it..

He proved his point that when push came to shove he could fight, I thought he clearly won the fight. No ifs. ands, or buts about it..

If Yoshida wanted a shot at Silva then I would think he deserves it. Rampage is still the number 1 contender for the MW title..

What's not to get?

[robbypark]

on the subject of Silva vs Rampage, Silva won the fight fair and square. Silva at this point, is the better fighter than Rampage. No excuses.

[dogofwar]

I didn't say he cheated but I don't see how anyone could think that the Bang/Sudo stand up saved the fight for Bang and hurt Sudo would not draw the same lines here..

Rampage had Silva down and was doing his thang...Silva could not do anything, and the ref had no business standing it up, Rampage was working..

So they gave Silva a yellow card and that saves him from getting GnPing..

No way, that was not fair to Rampage.

[robbypark]

I didn't say he cheated but I don't see how anyone could think that the Bang/Sudo stand up saved the fight for Bang and hurt Sudo would not draw the same lines here..

Rampage had Silva down and was doing his thang...Silva could not do anything, and the ref had no business standing it up, Rampage was working..

So they gave Silva a yellow card and that saves him from getting GnPing..

No way, that was not fair to Rampage.

It was the PRIDE GP Finals; bar none the biggest fight of the year so far. They wanted an awesome final war for the Championship and they got it. It was good that they stood them up and I'm sure Rampage had no excuses.

[dogofwar]

A fight is a fight Robby, Rampage is controlling the fight and you stand them up for no reason is not right...

By standing them back up they save Silva from another 4 minutes of ground and pound that he could not do anything about..

It also gave him a chance to strike Rampage as Rampage went to take him back down, the ref's actions clearly favored Silva..no doubt about it.

[Serialkilla]

Silva gets my reaspect now...

I would have given the fight to Yoshida...

Great PPV...

Couture would soundly beat Silva.

[Kawada]

First off, I haven't seen the show, so I can't comment on the rights and wrongs of the final.

It was the PRIDE GP Finals; bar none the biggest fight of the year so far. They wanted an awesome final war for the Championship and they got it. It was good that they stood them up and I'm sure Rampage had no excuses

That's not fair. If Rampage was FAIRLY controlling the action, then it's bull**** if the ref stands them up. I mean, a ref can't just go "Boooooo! I wanted a stand-up fight!" and make the fighters get back up.

I'm not saying Silva is or isn't the better fighter because, again, I haven't seen the show, but this officiating sounds questionable.

[scott]

The ref stood them up for inactivity. It was right at the start of the fight. Rampage took Silva down and layed there and did nothing. Of course the referee was going to stand them up!!! It's the main event for pete's sake1

[Shamrocked]

The ref stood them up for inactivity. It was right at the start of the fight. Rampage took Silva down and layed there and did nothing. Of course the referee was going to stand them up!!! It's the main event for pete's sake1

There was plenty of activity. Rampage was actively pounding a hole in Silva's ribcage and Silva was actively taking a beating.

[SilvaSurfer]

I'm glad Silva won! :D:D :D It made my day reading the results yesterday.

Too bad for me all I can do is read the results on Internet and wait for the release of this PPV on DVD/Video to watch it so I could give my opinion on this subject about the Rampage & Yoshida fights. They don't offer any PPVs to order here. :cry:

Well, even though I don't like Rampage's cockiness and trash talking, I must give him props for his fight w/ Liddell. I never figured he'd win like that. His fight with Silva, I would like to actually watch it and make judgement...especially about when they were stood up, but for now, I'm glad he won and would very much like to see a rematch between them hopefully in the next Pride event since he's still the #1 Contender....

Yoshida, I never doubted him being a worthy opponent and was very impressed by his performance against Silva as well as him going the distance.

Anyways, I should be receiving a tape on the Total Elimination tournament so I can't wait to see it....but I am really more anxious to get my hands on viewing this PPV even more.

It's Tuesday here today so Happy Veteran's Day to you all!

[dogofwar]

The ref stood them up for inactivity. It was right at the start of the fight. Rampage took Silva down and layed there and did nothing. Of course the referee was going to stand them up!!! It's the main event for pete's sake1

Clearly you didn't see the fight because Rampage was plenty active, and the stand up occured at about the 5 minute mark not the beginning of the round. Rampage was not given a yellow card and he was very active on top..

[snake-eyes]

A fight is a fight Robby, Rampage is controlling the fight and you stand them up for no reason is not right...

By standing them back up they save Silva from another 4 minutes of ground and pound that he could not do anything about..

It also gave him a chance to strike Rampage as Rampage went to take him back down, the ref's actions clearly favored Silva..no doubt about it.

Dogofwar, you saw the fight just as i did. The fight before this one between Randleman and Sakuraba there was no activity throughout most of the fight, and no standup was given, probabley because Saku is more dangerous on the ground then in standup yet in the Final jackson was busy the entire time and still they bring it to stand-up probabley because Silva is more dangerous in the Stand-up, although this was by far the best event for a long time, i still have trouble trusting Pride--- i am always leary of outcomes, does anyone else feel this way?

and i agree that Yoshida won the semi final aswell, under Pride rules he should have won (Nog beat Ricco last event), i just find Pride to be inconsistent.

[Tony Montana]

I have no idea how anyone can say that Yoshida beat Silva? Yoshida had a couple more takedowns but that's it. On the ground, Silva was as active as Yoshida in going for submissions. Standing up Silva clearly won. And probably most important, Silva finished the fight by dominating the entire 2nd round.

As for the standup, I too am confused? Silva got a yellow card for inactivity and that caused them to stand back up? That doesn't make sense to give someone a warning but allow them the advantage of standing back up? That said, I don't think it should take anything away from Silva's victory over Rampage. Rampage gave him a great fight, and I would love to see a rematch.

[dogofwar]

Snake I agree I have a hard trusting Pride when it comes to certian fighters. Randleman's lack of fighting was just sickening, he had Sak set up no less then three times to reign knees on him and wouldn't..

Clearly Pride wanted Silva to win and tailored the fight for him, I hope they give Rampage his shot at the MW belt since he is the number 1 contender..

Silva has to defend the belt against the number 1 contender sooner or later, right?

[D241]

I think Silva deserved to win against Yoshida.
Yoshida impressed me none the less, but imagine Silva having Sakuraba or Noguiera in a Triangle choke.That's crazy, and yet he almost pulled one off on Yoshida.

Remember, a fighter being on his back and in his guard doesn't constitute disadvantage.

[dogofwar]

I think Silva deserved to win against Yoshida.


I'm not suprised..

[D241]

Neither were the three judges

[Mike]

Personally, its no big deal to me if we recover old posts and the post counts never mattered to me. Here we don't get cheesy ratings based on post whoring and I like that. Quality is much more important than quantity. That said, this board has more intelligent members with very high quality posts than anything else I've seen. Posts are just opinions and ideas, thus we will always have more. If the old board can't be incorporated, then no biggie to me. Look how many great posts have already been done in one day!

Silva lost 10% of his fight purse for that yellow card. If I was fighting, I'd do anything I could NOT to get a yellow card. But, it might make sense to take a yellow if you were in fear of the fight slipping away from you. Losing 10% of the winners purse is better than getting the entire losers winnings.

The interesting thing about Silva and Yoshida is that while Yoshida is Japanese, I believe that Takada sees Silva as his home team favorite since he has been there the longest and seems quite loyal.

[Lefty]

Personally, its no big deal to me if we recover old posts and the post counts never mattered to me.

agreed, now were all newbies.

as for those who still refuse to give silva his props (dogofwar included) you guys are nuts. silva won fair and square. put yor personal feelings for the fighter aside for a minute. you'd think yoshida would get the nod for being a hometown fighter, so that proves pride is fair (at least that night).

silva/ yosh was a close fight, but silva won. silva stole the momentum in the second round, neutralized yosh's ground game and gave yosh a new facial makeover. pride would have had more to gain by making yoshida the winner, so i give them credit for doing the right thing.

silva/rampage, perhaps one of the greatset fights i've ever seen. i agree it was a questionable call by the ref to stand them up, but rampage wasnt all that dominating from the ground. either way, silva ****kicked rampage so live with it!!!!! perhaps the carziest ko i'bve ever seen. during the 20 knee sequence i could have sworn i saw both men smiling at each other.

dont worry all you silva haters, expect to see these guys fight again in the future. afterall, they are the elite at 205 and i'm sure will do battle again.
as for final conflict, give silva his due. :twisted:

[Tony Montana]

I second everything you said Lefty.

And yes, they were smiling at each other as they backed towards the ropes. It was sort of like Rampage was saying to Silva, "I took all those knees and I'm still standing". But Silva wiped the smile off of Rampage's face with a right cross. It was awesome! I wish I could get a 2 second .gif of that!

A fight for the ages. I hope Rampage gets a rematch. He deserves it.

[the ice man]

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Vitor - 65/35 in favor of Silva. If Silva survives the first minute, Vitor will be in big trouble.



Chuck - 80/20 in favor of Silva. I don't see Chuck posing much of a threat. The only reason I give him 20% chance is because he's got that one punch chance.[/QUOTE]
i totally dis agree i think witor or chuck have a 50 % chance at beating him

[robbypark]

This thread is over 1 year old. Why is it getting revived now?

[kimura]

Yeah why the **** bring up these old topics, I don't get it. By the way, Arona would kill Silva.

[the ice man]

Yeah why the **** bring up these old topics, I don't get it. By the way, Arona would kill Silva.
`it would be a great match but i dont see arona beatin silva ,,, i see one person right now in mma that could take silva and that is vitor belfort hes done it before and i say he can do it agian