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dogofwar

11-10-2003, 05:59 PM

1. Rampage dealt w/ Chuck fairly easy. Pretty suprising..

2. Yoshida wasn't going to just lay down. He took Silva down at will, a beautiful judo throw into a neck crank that was pcture perfect. Yoshida won the fight...he controlled 12 minutes of the 15 minute fight, 4 or 5 take downs, many sub attempts, great stuff..

Both semi fights were awesome!! All four men came to fight and really laid it on the line..

3. Nog showed the Mirko was human afterall. Fedor will sleep better tonight..

4. The main event, Rampage and Silva, what a fight!!!! Props to Silva for jumping on Rampage when there was an opening. What left me scratching my head was the stand up..Rampage was active and the fight gets stood up for no real reason. Awesome, man Rampage is the real ****ing deal, he just wasn't going to quit...awesome ****!! These two will fight again since Rampage is the number 1 contender for the MW Title..

The show lived up to expectations and was just fantastic!

porkstar

11-10-2003, 06:10 PM

i agree, the show totally lived up to expectations. As you said, Rampage is the real deal, but Silva is even better. Silva proved that he is the best in the division.

You forgot to talk about Saku/Randleman? hahaa....... :lol:

JamesMcBee

11-10-2003, 06:41 PM

Bar none, the best mma show i have ever seen, and i have seen plenty.

james -

robbypark

11-10-2003, 06:56 PM

Like James said, the best show MMA has ever had. Nothing has come even close with the exception of PRIDE 10.

themunchies

11-10-2003, 10:07 PM

pride gP was an awesome show. i was sincerely surprised that vanderlei silva won. initially i thought chuck liddell was going to win the title.

scavenger

11-10-2003, 10:25 PM

this was very entertaining. mirko got bull****ed out of the win though because rodrigo was saved by the bell.

D241

11-10-2003, 10:26 PM

Dog of war-your thoughs on SAKURABA NOW?

I've been waiting to hear what clever comment you were going to say about 2 minutes after i remembered how much smack you talked.

just Brian

11-10-2003, 10:48 PM

this was very entertaining. mirko got bull****ed out of the win though because rodrigo was saved by the bell.

Explain please. :?:

scavenger

11-10-2003, 11:01 PM

Shamrocked

11-11-2003, 12:48 AM

kai

11-11-2003, 12:50 AM

personally, I was surprised that crocop came out so unprepared for the second round. In the first he was having no problem defending against Nog's takedown. Nog's takedown are very sloppy as evidenced in the fight and he really should not have gotten it on Mirko, but Mirko wasn't using his brain and was caught unprepared right at the start of the round.

Shamrocked

11-11-2003, 12:58 AM

2. Yoshida wasn't going to just lay down. He took Silva down at will, a beautiful judo throw into a neck crank that was pcture perfect. Yoshida won the fight...he controlled 12 minutes of the 15 minute fight, 4 or 5 take downs, many sub attempts, great stuff..

3. Nog showed the Mirko was human afterall. Fedor will sleep better tonight..

4. The main event, Rampage and Silva, what a fight!!!! Props to Silva for jumping on Rampage when there was an opening. What left me scratching my head was the stand up..Rampage was active and the fight gets stood up for no real reason. Awesome, man Rampage is the real ****ing deal, he just wasn't going to quit...awesome ****!! These two will fight again since Rampage is the number 1 contender for the MW Title..

I thought I was the only one who thought Yoshida did enough to win that fight. I won't take anything away from Silva's domination of Rampage though, even though I wanted to see Rampage cripple him.

Speaking of Fedor, was it me or did he look very relieved at the conclusion? He should also be given serious props for remaining in the ring during Nog's celebration and speech. Most fighters would've bolted immediately.

I was also very curious about the ref standing Rampage and Silva up, since Quentin seemed to be quite busy in controlling Silva. It appeared that Pride wanted to give their golden boy every opportunity to win this tournament (thus validating the legitimacy of the middleweight belt) by giving him what was percieved to be the "easy" draw (although it proved not to be) and then the phantom stand up when he was in trouble. I'm very surprised that they didn't hold his match before the Jackson/Liddell fight in order to allow him more recovery time.

Did everyone notice how Dana White was so vocally critical of Liddell during his fight with Rampage? I wonder how Chuck will react if and when he watches the broadcast.

shayne

11-11-2003, 01:01 AM

to tell you the honest truth, Fedor looked like he was high the whole time.

just Brian

11-11-2003, 01:37 AM

Speaking of Fedor, was it me or did he look very relieved at the conclusion? He should also be given serious props for remaining in the ring during Nog's celebration and speech. Most fighters would've bolted immediately.

Did everyone notice how Dana White was so vocally critical of Liddell during his fight with Rampage? I wonder how Chuck will react if and when he watches the broadcast.

Two questions:

What was Fedor doing in the ring at all? Did he go in to congratulate Nog, was it a post-fight photo op, or just building some hype? Nog and Fedor both are so classy I can't imagine it was anything too dramatic. Probably just sincere congratulations from Fedor, eh?

What the hell did Dana say? I really can't stand the guy, and it will piss me off if I hear he was ripping on Chuck.

Shamrocked

11-11-2003, 01:52 AM

Two questions:

What was Fedor doing in the ring at all? Did he go in to congratulate Nog, was it a post-fight photo op, or just building some hype? Nog and Fedor both are so classy I can't imagine it was anything too dramatic. Probably just sincere congratulations from Fedor, eh?

What the hell did Dana say? I really can't stand the guy, and it will piss me off if I hear he was ripping on Chuck.[/quote]

My bad. I was referring to Cro Cop staying in the ring after his loss. Fedor was merely at ringside. As far as what Dana was saying, he just kept talking about how Chuck wasn't sticking to "their" game plan (like Dana had anything to do with it, and it should be easy for Chuck to have his way with the stronger Rampage). He basically sounded like he was personally disapointed in Chuck's effort, as if he wasn't trying to win the fight. I'd like to see Chuck knock White's head off his shoulders.

Shamrocked

11-11-2003, 01:53 AM

Why is it that half the time when I click on the quote icon the quote appears as if it were my own in the actual post? :evil:

just Brian

11-11-2003, 01:56 AM

OK, it was Mirko, I get it now.

Sounds like Dana was being a real ass.

dogofwar

11-11-2003, 07:43 AM

Dog of war-your thoughs on SAKURABA NOW?

I've been waiting to hear what clever comment you were going to say about 2 minutes after i remembered how much smack you talked.

I have no respect for him at all..

And I hate Kevin w/ a passion. Kevin is now my most hated fighter all time.

snake-eyes

11-11-2003, 08:39 AM

The fight between Jackson and Liddell was absolutely amazing, a real war... the one thing that bothered me was Dana White, can someone tell that guy to shut the @$% up, he just about ruin that fight for me, he was so biased and always opening his mouth and cutting down Chuck, i think there should have been another fight announced last minute Dana vs Quinton, Dana could have put his $250,000 on the line, Quinton of course would take the fight..... that would have been entertaining. Joking aside Dana has no business as an announcer he was an absolute moron during that fight.

D241

11-11-2003, 12:34 PM

bobish vs goodridge was crap.bobish had no business fighting that night since he obviously didn't understand the rules of pride...
you can't just call a "timeout" because somethings wrong with your eye.

Chuck vs Rampage-that was a war like I thought it'd be, but I was very impressed with Rampages aggresivness and the way he threw his left hands.He threw some looping rights, but some of them landed, but his left was furious.
I actually agree with Dana, if you look at each fighters, both are very good punchers, but Chuck is a great kicker, he didn't throw hardly any leg kicks, body kicks, or head kicks.Dana even said that the gameplan was to throw alot of leg kicks to Quentin in the first round, tire him up for the 2nd, and then try to ko him.Rampage definatly did win that fight though, but give props where it's due, Chuck didn't get koed, the ref stopped the fight, but I've yet to see Chuck,Rampage, or Nog get his so hard where they lose 100% conscious and their eys close.

Vanderlie vs Yoshida-I'm as surprised as everyone.Who would have thought that Vanderlies two wins would by by decision, and ko, and the ko wasn't over yoshida.Yosh proved he belongs in future pride events, no one can stop his take downs, and his submissions are dangerous.He does have a chin, but I would definatly like to see more fights from him to see how good he actually is.Perhaps Yosh vs Nog after Nog vs Fedor?

Dan 'The Motha ******* Man' Henderson-Wow, un-beleavable.All I have to say, is that I've been saying how good that man is for a couple years now, he was my favorite fighter before Sunday, and is still my favorite fighter after Sunday.One of, if not the best LHW.

Mirko vs Nog-WOW, one of the 3 best fights of the night.I didn't lose faith in Nog, I was just thoroughly interested in seeing how the match was going to turn, and once Nog was on top of Mirko, I knew it was over.Nog is a true warrior, and if you are going to bleed from fighting Mirko, you know he didn't barely tap you.Nog took it, and played his game.I'd like to see Nog win back the belt from Fedor.

Donkey Kong vs Super Mario- :D :D :D
So much was on this for Sakuraba.Watching the fight, I had in the back of my mind all the THOUSANDS of Bandwagon fans who have bashed Sak in saying that he's washed up, saying he's done, he can't win against bigger fighters, Sak didn't just beat Kevin, he beat thousands of people who doubted that Sak is a legend in this sport.I'll take Saks win over any avatar, or any bragging rights.Sak, what can I say, is simply a legend.

Rampage vs Vanderlie-What a stare down.Damn, that was IN-TENSE.
Vanderlie really impressed me with both of his matches in Pride, and that guillateen choke he had on Rampag really did take alot out of Quentin.
That was a war that will probably go down in the history books.All though I'm sure Rampage won the hearts of many, give Vanderlie the credit he is do for smelling blood, and trying to finish it.However, being that there was so much riding on this, I would have liked to have seen the ref let them fight a little bit longer, because Rampage was still conscious, and the smile he flashed at Vanderlei-damn, what a warrior.
Ramage has tremendous heart, and I'll be the first one to say, that I'll take Rampage with a win when they have a rematch.

3-best fights of the night
3.Nog vs Cro Crop
2.Sakuraba vs Kevin
1.Rampage vs Vanderlei

Biggest surprise-Dan knocking out Busta in under a minute.
Ring girl-comments?

Iron Maiden

11-11-2003, 05:11 PM

My thoughts on the night....

1.Bobbish Vs Goodridge- What a FRIGIN JOKE! That fight belonged in UFC 2-5 somewhere....two low skilled fighters...one was a cry baby...the other was so happy and cocky about winning the fight. What does Goodridge have to be happy about? He gets beat by the best...but when he throws a couple fo decent punches that connect to a guy that doesn't even belong in a MMA ring he gets cocky and happy all of a sudden?

Retire Gary...you look pathetic.

2. Chuck Vs Rampage- Rampage owned this fight for one key reason...STAMINA. Chuck gassed so quick that it was laughable. He got some nice shots in...but Rampage doubled that...and I was getting real sick of hearing Dana White bitch every 5 seconds about Chuck not sticking to the gameplan. Gameplan's change once you're in there getting your ass kicked. It's easy for him to sit outside the ring in a suit telling the world what Chuck SHOULD be doing.

3.Vanderli Vs Yoshida- Wow...my heart and respect goes out to Yoshida. He came out with everyone thinking that Silva would knock him out fast (including me) and totally went the distance. The man shut alot of people up with that fight...and that includes me. As I said in another thread...he is my new hero. Along with Sak. Good stuff. Silva fought well though and deserved the win.

4.Dan Henderson Vs Bustamante- Henderson deserved the fight...and the fact that Bustamante didn't show respect by shaking his hand afterwards is very low class. I'm glad he got his ass beat.

5.Mirko Vs Nog- CroCop was killing him the entire time on his feet. The fight was going exactly how I thought it would...I never thought Nog would actually beat him...but I did know that if Nog got him down...it was very possible he could beat him. Nog did a great job...I hate the guy...but he took the punishment and got the armbar to win the fight. Cheers.

6.Sak vs Randleman - Dive my ass. Randleman had a day like Mark Kerr did back in the 2000 GP. He sucked it up. He respected Saks submissions skills...he didn't want to try some crazy ass slam or anything while in the grapple...Randleman tried to do what he saw Rampage do against Bustamante...roll out and come up with a slam afterwards. In the process,Sak rolled i under and extended it. He beat him fair and square. No dive at all. Arrogance and Ego blind alot of people I see.

7.Rampage Vs Silva- Silva owned the fight...and as I said in another thread...it really looked as if Rampage was NOT the Rampage we all know when he was coming to the ring. He looked visually exhausted. Silva did not. Thats exactly how the fight went...Silva the offense...Rampage on defense. Silvas win in that fight was not a surprise once I saw how Rampage looked coming to the ring.

Cheers to Silva...he is the champ and he deserves it.

Great show.

scott

11-11-2003, 05:26 PM

those are both very awesome thorough explanations on the show.

I thought the show was incredible; the best show ever put on by PRIDe, UFC or ny other organization.

So many great fights and the Sak/Randleman fight was absolutely huge!

Lefty

11-11-2003, 06:04 PM

that was the best mma card ever in my book, and no , i'm not trying to sound like quadros.

rampage /liddel- did anyone expect to see liddell throwing straight jabs and rampage landinf wild overhand rights? crazy but it happened. rampage beatdown chuck and looked sharp doing it.also, very impressive hand defense by rampage to block chucks strikes. dana must be crying.

silva/yosh- i thought silva did enough in the second , stole the momentum, and did enough damage to yosh to get the decision. i was surprised the japanese judges didnt pick their hometown fighter , therefore props to pride for not being all that corrupt. as for yoshida, I"M A BELIEVER!!!!!! he improved big time and showed he has a chin. he's the man in town! i look for him to dominate in the future. he broke into my top 5 rating at 205.

nog/crocp- proves 2 years of jujitsu aint enough to beat a master.nog made upset of the year and showed he has a chin,heart and balls to derail the crocop express.

sak/randleman- i may have lost my avtar, but man was i happy to see sak pull the upset. great win for saku!

hendo/busta- i think it was an early stoppage, but maybe the ref saved busta's face. great win for hendo.

silva/rampage- one of the greatest fights ever, from the killer staredown to the huge 20 knee sequence ko. silva was superb that night and deserves his belt back. quintin just could 'nt find a defence for those knees.

i'm still hyped up over that colosal card. silva deserves his respect!!!!!! he's prides best 205 fighter hands down.

Mike

11-11-2003, 11:07 PM

Lefty

11-11-2003, 11:56 PM

Brian, this is a must see event.

i second that. not only a must see, but a must own event too.

robbypark

11-12-2003, 12:08 AM

Most definitely a must own. This will be one event you'll want to watch over and over again in future years.

I'm glad I got my buddy to record it for me 8)

SilvaSurfer

11-12-2003, 07:25 AM

Most definitely a must own. This will be one event you'll want to watch over and over again in future years.

I'm glad I got my buddy to record it for me 8)

Lucky guy! I have to wait til this comes out for Sale on DVD.... though I wouldn't buy the pirated one like in that other thread. This is one I'm definately gonna purchase. The wait :evil: ...

robbypark

11-12-2003, 04:39 PM

Yeah, in terms of MMA, it's very unfortunate to live in some places. I would suggest downloading MMA material off of media sharing programs like Direct Connect, eMule, Kazaa, WinMx, etc....

SilvaSurfer

11-12-2003, 05:44 PM

Yeah, in terms of MMA, it's very unfortunate to live in some places. I would suggest downloading MMA material off of media sharing programs like Direct Connect, eMule, Kazaa, WinMx, etc....

No thanks!.....unless I get real desperate to watch it or until I know someone who'd let me borrow. But even though, I'm definately gonna buy this event.

just Brian

11-12-2003, 08:11 PM

you didn't see the show? Well anyway, I'll tell you what happened. mirko was destroying nog in the first round and right at the end he knocked him down with a HUGE high kick and followed it up with a punch but the bell rang right away. Had there been 10 seconds more in the first round the fight would have been stopped and mirko would have won by ko.

Sounds like a great event. Doesn't it seem that PRIDE has totally hijacked the concept of the huge MMA event? UFC simply hasn't come close to putting together a show even close to these PRIDE events, what's up with that? Hopefully by the end of this month I'll be watching it.

As for Nog vs. Mirko - It sounds like a classic "Saved by the Bell" moment for Nog. I just wonder if Nog was wondering "Was that the bell? Or just my head ringing?"

D241

11-12-2003, 10:02 PM

JB-Nog got kicked in the head, and it hurt, but then Mirko followed with a straight left and that had really rocked Nog....
Nog fell, but was still in the mode to defend and the bell went off, and then Nog raised his hands in disgust towards the ref as he thought the fight was prematurely called, and the ref explained the round was over and he was ok.-That amazed me because to get kicked like that, and to be that conscious-WOW!!!

Anyways, I'm going on my 4th day now, and I've seen the video/fights 3 times, and I'm going to watch it again with my buddy tonight so it will be 4 straight nights of watching the fights.

it is a HAVE TO, MUST OWN, GO OUT AND GET IT NOW pride.

robbypark

11-12-2003, 11:11 PM

Yeah, Nog proved once again that he has a great chin. I was amazed with his fight with Cro Cop as I was with his fight with Fedor.

themunchies

11-13-2003, 01:43 AM

I'm beginning to wonder if it's even possible for Noguiera to get knocked out. Fedor is the hardest hitter in MMA from the guard and he hit nogiuera with accurately about 150 shots straight in the face yet nogiuera refused to give up and he kept trying to go for subs!

Mike

11-13-2003, 10:12 PM

Muchie, I think Nog was on the verge of going down at the end of round one, so he isn't indestructible. He has taken some really bad head punishment. I really am starting to wonder if Sak and Nog will enjoy their golden years from all the beatings they have taken.

robbypark

11-13-2003, 10:44 PM

not just Sak and Nog but think about guys like Don Frye as well.

Cbear

11-13-2003, 11:07 PM

Whoooo Don v Takayama killed a bunch of brain cells in both guys.

uhhuhuhhuh

11-14-2003, 10:02 PM

Dana was on commentary during Chuck/Rampage and you could hear the disappointment in his voice as he saw his quarter of a million dollar bet slipping away. Chuck just wanted to box and wasn't using his legs hardly at all, which Dana was saying they worked on specificially in training to do. Plus Chuck gassed out which really surprised Dana. For the amount of money he lost I'm surprised Dana didn't jump into the ring to take a swing at chuck for losing. :lol:

This was the highest quality MMA ppv I have ever seen. It sounds like the Herring fight was the only thing that stunk up the place and they didn't show it on U.S. ppv. Brian, this is a must see event.

Mike you beat me to it: As I just watched the event, it's fresh in my head that you're 100% correct that Dana was whining about losing his bet. He continually made comments like "Chuck's not following the game plan" which was apparently supposed to include Chuck leg-kicking Jackson repeatedly in the first round so Rampage's legs would be weak in the second round. Also, Dana kept saying "Chuck's supposed to kick him work him up and down but this has turned into a boxing match which was not the gameplan". In the intro they said Dana had personally taken over Chuck's training so I don't doubt he knew what the game plan was.

Even though Dana seemed more to whine about Chuck not executing their game plan (Dana, get in the ring take a few shots to the head and see if you remember what your game plan was :) ) and not dissing Chuck personally I give Dana credit for showing the class to say he had a team ready to get Chuck ready but he'd send them over to Jackson's locker room to help Jackson for his next fight. Whether this happened or not it was a classy move by Dana IMO

Mike/cbear: Frey vs. Takayama definitely looked like a hockey fight, just swing baby!