Chuck Liddell was proven As a Fluke!!!!

[irishshamrock]

I told all of you that Chuck Liddell was a fluke and that he would lose bad to Rampage and I proved it! Chuck just can't use his fluky eye-closed KO punches against legitimate fighters like Q Jack. Jackson totally dominated Chucky the whole fight and now I hope liddell stays down where he's supposed to be: the bottom of the ladder! :twisted:

[shayne]

get off the dope. Chuck's not a fluke, he just got beat by the better fighter.

[just Brian]

I've never had much interest in Chuck. There is nothing I find "wrong" with him - he's a striker, and they never hold much intrigue for me.

But, a fluke? I don't know...he was on quite a streak until Randy got a hold of him. It's strange, when Randy beat him, it wasn't that big of a deal. But now he's lost two of his last three and suddenly people are ready to throw him in the mma trash can.

Does Chuck vs. Tito still interest anyone? I would still love to see it.

[irishshamrock]

i'd still like to see Tito vs Chuck. It would be the battle of the top two most overrated fighters.

[SilvaSurfer]

Aside from Tito fighting Chuck...I'd like to see Dan Henderson fight him. I still can't believe that Dan KO'd Busta under a min., especially when not fighting 100%. Do you think a rematch of these 2 would happen?

[Shamrocked]

Aside from Tito fighting Chuck...I'd like to see Dan Henderson fight him. I still can't believe that Dan KO'd Busta under a min., especially when not fighting 100%. Do you think a rematch of these 2 would happen?

Believe it. Dan is the best middleweight on the planet. He easily holds his own with Rampage and Silva. The reason....he's the smartest fighter at that weight. You wouldn't catch Dan standing with Silva like Quentin did unless he really thought that was his best move. Add that to his solid wrestling ability and his heavy hands and you've got the total package.

[SilvaSurfer]

Aside from Tito fighting Chuck...I'd like to see Dan Henderson fight him. I still can't believe that Dan KO'd Busta under a min., especially when not fighting 100%. Do you think a rematch of these 2 would happen?

Believe it. Dan is the best middleweight on the planet. He easily holds his own with Rampage and Silva. The reason....he's the smartest fighter at that weight. You wouldn't catch Dan standing with Silva like Quentin did unless he really thought that was his best move. Add that to his solid wrestling ability and his heavy hands and you've got the total package.

Well, he wasn't on my top 5 favorite fighters for nothing...it's just frieken awesome to know he put out Busta pretty quick...Especially at not 100%.

[sars]

I was truly saddened that Dan won, but the fact of the matter is that Dan's weight is light heavyweight not middleweight!! Dan's division is NOT under 185 it is and always has been the 205 and under division so he's not the best in the world.

[Tony Montana]

Believe it. Dan is the best middleweight on the planet. He easily holds his own with Rampage and Silva. The reason....he's the smartest fighter at that weight. You wouldn't catch Dan standing with Silva like Quentin did unless he really thought that was his best move. Add that to his solid wrestling ability and his heavy hands and you've got the total package.[/quote]

Are you on crack? Who has he beat? Bustamente and Newton are the only fighters of note. He lost to Silva, Arona, and Nogueira.

I'd like to see him fight Rich Franklin.

[Mike]

Just Brian nailed it. Chuck is a puncher and they don't excite me much. His wins aren't flukes as a win is a win. However, he is one dimensional in his fight strategy at this point. Even Dana pointed out that Chuck wasn't even following his training strategy; which had to hurt as Dana watch a quarter mil flush down the drain. Chuck is a real fighter, but Rampage is better at this point.

I'd still like to see Chuck knock out Tito with one of his flukey, sloppy, looping punches. I just hope his confidence isn't hurt too much by the losses that he lays down for Ortiz. That would suck mightly from the teat of crappiness.

[Iron Maiden]

So he is a fluke because he lost one fight to another great fighter?

So in your terms that would make Shamrock a fluke? Or for that matter....every other fighter in MMA who has lost one fight?

Do you really know how ridiculous you sound?

[debacle]

Aside from Tito fighting Chuck...I'd like to see Dan Henderson fight him. I still can't believe that Dan KO'd Busta under a min., especially when not fighting 100%. Do you think a rematch of these 2 would happen?

Believe it. Dan is the best middleweight on the planet. He easily holds his own with Rampage and Silva. The reason....he's the smartest fighter at that weight. You wouldn't catch Dan standing with Silva like Quentin did unless he really thought that was his best move. Add that to his solid wrestling ability and his heavy hands and you've got the total package.

Dan is not the best middelweight on the planet. If that were true it would mean he's better than Silva, Couture, and Rampage, and we all know that he's not.

[just Brian]

I was truly saddened that Dan won, but the fact of the matter is that Dan's weight is light heavyweight not middleweight!! Dan's division is NOT under 185 it is and always has been the 205 and under division so he's not the best in the world.

I'm confused (yes again), what is the issue with the weight? Are Henderson and Bustamante similar in weight or not? They seem about the same weight in my mind. Or did I miss the entire point here?

[robbypark]

Bustamante's natural weight is 185 and Henderson'd natural weight is around 195-200. Bustamante moved up to 205 for the tournament and his match with Henderson, while Henderson remained at his natural weight. Bustamante had the weight advantage going in.

As far as regular and natural weight classes though, Murilo Bustamante is a 185 lbs fighter and Henderson is a 205 lbs fighter.

[crucible]

I don't think Henderson proved enough this fight. As far as I'm concerned, he hasn't cracked the light heavyweight top 5. Silva, Couture, Ortiz, Rampage, and Liddell occupy those posts.

[Lefty]

I don't think Henderson proved enough this fight. As far as I'm concerned, he hasn't cracked the light heavyweight top 5. Silva, Couture, Ortiz, Rampage, and Liddell occupy those posts.


agreed, but he definatley gets a good spot in the top ten of the toghest division in mma. he reignited his career with a bang.

[mirkochampion]

I told all of you that Chuck Liddell was a fluke and that he would lose bad to Rampage and I proved it! Chuck just can't use his fluky eye-closed KO punches against legitimate fighters like Q Jack. Jackson totally dominated Chucky the whole fight and now I hope liddell stays down where he's supposed to be: the bottom of the ladder! :twisted:
true, i also believe randy is overrated , but thats just me

[just Brian]

I told all of you that Chuck Liddell was a fluke and that he would lose bad to Rampage and I proved it! Chuck just can't use his fluky eye-closed KO punches against legitimate fighters like Q Jack. Jackson totally dominated Chucky the whole fight and now I hope liddell stays down where he's supposed to be: the bottom of the ladder! :twisted:
true, i also believe randy is overrated , but thats just me

:? Are we talking Chuck or Randy here? I'll assume there is a type-o at work here.

[Shamrocked]

Are you on crack? Who has he beat? Bustamente and Newton are the only fighters of note. He lost to Silva, Arona, and Nogueira.

He also has a win over Nog, and those two losses you mentioned were both pretty questionable decisions.

[uhhuhuhhuh]

So he is a fluke because he lost one fight to another great fighter?

So in your terms that would make Shamrock a fluke? Or for that matter....every other fighter in MMA who has lost one fight?

Do you really know how ridiculous you sound?


Hear hear!

irish, still at it huh? Your post from just over a week ago stated "it's a fact" Lidell is a fluke. Do you remember what facts you presented then and what facts you present now? (psssttt: they're your opinions)

"I told all of you that Chuck Liddell was a fluke and that he would lose bad to Rampage and I proved it! "

You stated as fact Lidell was a fluke and that it would be proven when he fought Jackson (nowhere did you mention how Lidell would "lose bad"). But if it was a fact (and once again it wasn't, it was your opinion *yawn* repeating this so many times bores me then why would it have to be proven. Facts are facts they don't need to be proven again and again, unless you're you. And even if it wasn't a fact (but rather your opinion) you didn't prove a thing, Jackson and/or Lidell did it for you. 'nuff said

[irishshamrock]

Yeah Jackson did it for me, but since I called it was going to happen of course I proved it.

[Ring Girl]

Bustamante's natural weight is 185 and Henderson'd natural weight is around 195-200. Bustamante moved up to 205 for the tournament and his match with Henderson, while Henderson remained at his natural weight. Bustamante had the weight advantage going in.

As far as regular and natural weight classes though, Murilo Bustamante is a 185 lbs fighter and Henderson is a 205 lbs fighter.

Bustamante's natural weight is 185??? No way. The guy looked completely emaciated in the UFC. Definitely not his natural weight - he was cutting hard. He weighed in over 200lbs for both his Rampage and Henderson fights. That's what he weighs when he has no motivation to cut.. Dan weighs around 190-195 naturally.

If Dan and Busta fought in the UFC they'd both cut to 185lbs most likely. As it stands though, the only reason Busta is called a MW is because of his UFC fights and Dan is called a LHW because of his Pride experience. If Busta continues to fight at 200-204lbs, I hope they move his rankings up to LHW where it belongs. Either that or they need to move Dan down to MW -- they've always ranked Saku at MW, why not Dan?

[robbypark]

you're right, Busta's natural weight may not be 185, but it is the weight where Busta has fought almost all his fights and has had his best success at.

[debacle]

weight classes are strange and it's unfortunate for Henderson to be a LHW because of the stacked division. On the other hand it's great for Saku to be a middlewight because he's so good pound for pound that he'll always be ranked in the top 3 or 4 at least in that class.

[Ring Girl]

Yeah, it's just odd that Sak gets ranked a MW and Henderson doesn't, when they're both Pride fighters. Sak weighed in heavier than Dan at the Pride GP as well:

OFFICIAL WEIGH INS::
Dan Henderson 89.2kg
Murilo Bustamante 92.8kg
Kevin Randleman 92.9kg
Kazushi Sakuraba 90.5kg
Quinton Jackson 92.8kg
Chuck Liddell 92.9kg
Wanderlei Silva 91.3kg
Hidehiko Yoshida 92.8kg

Also, how many fights did Busta actually do at 185lbs? Lindland and Menne for sure, but who else?

[robbypark]

other than Liddell, Erikson, Henderson, and Jackson, Busta fought all the rest of his fights at around 185 lbs.

[sars]

I also don't think Kevin Randleman's natural weight is 205. The guy looks like he' at least 230 with all that roided up muscle!

[Ring Girl]

other than Liddell, Erikson, Henderson, and Jackson, Busta fought all the rest of his fights at around 185 lbs.

Well if Busta fought Erikson at over 185lbs, than that means he also fought Chris Haseman and Juan Mott not at MW since Erikson was the third of three fights Busta fought at that event.

That would mean at least half of Busta's fights he hasn't fought at MW, more importantly, his two most recent fights...

[Drunken Gamer]

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