View Full Version : Vanderlei's guillateen choke...
I think that probably could have been a big factor in slowing rampage down and setting him up for future strikes with knees and punches...
however, one thing I don't understand, is why didn't rampage slam vanderlei when he had plenty of chances?
I've seen him slam people who had him in a guillateen choke, but why not on vanderlie?
robbypark
11-11-2003, 05:14 PM
Since this was the biggest fight of Rampage's career, he probably wan't thinking too clearly about using his strong points.
Big props to Rampage for never quitting even though he was taking the beating of a lifetime. The guy is tough......
rampage being tough is an understatement.
he has created a new meaning.
now, if I see someone/thing do something extremly tough....
I will say....that guys' not tough, he's rampage tough.
Shamrocked
11-11-2003, 05:52 PM
I think that probably could have been a big factor in slowing rampage down and setting him up for future strikes with knees and punches...
however, one thing I don't understand, is why didn't rampage slam vanderlei when he had plenty of chances?
I've seen him slam people who had him in a guillateen choke, but why not on vanderlie?
It looked like Silva had it in so deep that Rampage was afraid of pile driving his own head into the canvas.
porkstar
11-11-2003, 06:32 PM
Silva had a good gullotine and for a sec I thought Rampage was going to tap. Good that he didn't because they had a tremendous fight!
Iron Maiden
11-11-2003, 06:56 PM
I was thinking at the time what Shamrocked just said...if he slams him right now..with the Gullotine Silva had on...he would have decapitated himself. Rampage stayed calm and didn't go overboard when he was in that choke.
But to me....the very second Rampage was coming to the ring...he didn't look like the Rampage I knew from other fights...he seemed exhausted and not really ready to fight...Silva on the other hand looked pumped. I knew where that fight was heading when I saw Silva and Rampages different conditions in the ring.
Oh..and congrats to Silva on the wins...I don't care for him...but he is a hell of a fighter and he beat the best to get where her is at now. Oh..and MAD respect goes out to Toshida...he is my new hero. The guy,to me,is everything an MMA fighter should be.
Rampages slams are his calling card and I don't think most of them do any damage. In fact, he burns up alot of energy doing them which he didn't have to spare against Silva. A fresh Rampage might have taken Silva but he was gassed. Still, he took all those shots even gassed out and didn't quit. That boy has a hard head--he wasnt even bloodied by all those knees.
And to retract something I said way back about questioning Silvas surgically repaired knees...they are just fine. hell, I wonder if he had steel implants put in.
Lefty
11-12-2003, 02:29 AM
rampage had his arm in between silva's choke, so it wasnt a perfect choke, but it was still effective in draining jackson. why rampage insists in wasting energy by holding his man up like that is beyond me. he did the same thing to busta when they fought. it makes no sense, only wastes energy. as for the slam, silva had his legs around rampages waist tight, so a slam would have been ineffective and could have put him in a harder spot on the ground.
robbypark
11-12-2003, 02:35 AM
rampage had his arm in between silva's choke, so it wasnt a perfect choke, but it was still effective in draining jackson. why rampage insists in wasting energy by holding his man up like that is beyond me. he did the same thing to busta when they fought. it makes no sense, only wastes energy. as for the slam, silva had his legs around rampages waist tight, so a slam would have been ineffective and could have put him in a harder spot on the ground.
I think he has a bit of that Saku syndrome. Many times I have no clue as to why Sakuraba does some of the things he does, but then I realize and understand that he does it because he's such a showman. I think Rampage is the same way.
a showman?
noooooooo
sak and rampage wear the mask to intimidate their opponents
Iron Maiden
11-12-2003, 03:59 PM
a showman?
noooooooo
sak and rampage wear the mask to intimidate their opponents
I sure hope you're joking...
The only thing those masks do is make people laugh...I can almost gurantee it doesn't intimidate the other fighters.
iron maidon-i was joking....
anyways, I've watched 3 times-going on 4 as we speak, and it really does look to me that Rampage definatly had a good oppertunaty to slam vanderlei without worrying about his own head getting slammed.
Iron Maiden
11-13-2003, 01:07 AM
Good. :D
I didn't see it so much that his head was going to go in the mat...I was thinking more of the pressure that Silva would apply to the choke in a slamming motion. The last place Rampage wants to be in a Gullotine Choke is on the ground.
TheRockSays
11-13-2003, 08:31 AM
Busta had him on the ground and he still got out.
I think the pressure of losing this fight after all the hype and anticpation may have caused him to be cautious. I think his head would hit the ground if he slammed Silva. He looked tired and after his flurry on the ground, he was done. Silva was able to get those knees in with no defense outside of Rampage's arms and that couldn't save him
Rampage/Silva 2 will have a different outcome :twisted:
Iron Maiden
11-13-2003, 03:25 PM
Thats true BUT...did you see the toll that choke was taking on Rampage...hell...Rampage HIMSELF said later that Bustamante had a nasty choke on him. I don't think he wanted to go down on the ground again with that choke applied. I think he did the right thing in keeping him up.
grapplingengineer
11-13-2003, 11:01 PM
I was wondering if Rampage's first instinct was to throw Silva out of the ring, then he realized he shouldn't if he wants the win. My guess on the choke and no slam is that Rampage instinctually wanted to slam him but new that if somebody's got 1/2 a choke on you, you sure as hell don't want them getting the other 1/2, and any big head movements can open up that neck. We're only talking about enough room around the throat to get a couple fingers in. Silva had alot of muscle on it as it was. So I'm thinking he calmed, let logic rule, and put him down gently. Maybe he was starting to fade though...
uhhuhuhhuh
11-15-2003, 12:16 AM
Since this was the biggest fight of Rampage's career, he probably wan't thinking too clearly about using his strong points.
Big props to Rampage for never quitting even though he was taking the beating of a lifetime. The guy is tough......
Tough is an understatement. WOW, the knees he took had him out on his feet but he still out of instinct tried to pick Vanderlai up and even was smiling at him just before the ref (rightfully) stopped it.
grapplingengineer: I was wondering if Rampage's first instinct was to throw Silva out of the ring, then he realized he shouldn't if he wants the win
That's exactly what I thought when I just watched it. Rampage SO instinctively wanted to toss Silva out of the ring even I was surprised that he didn't do it. It looked like he could've done it immediately, he had him up so high until Silva latched on with the choke hold.
Shamrocked
11-15-2003, 01:47 AM
It would've been worth the DQ to watch Silva land in the first row of seats!
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