Top 5 at 205lbs

[Lefty]

lets here it boys and girls, who are the top 5 fighers at 205. my picks are

1)randy couture
2)silva
3)tito
4)rampage
5)yoshida

**chuck drops because of 2 loses in last three fights. belfort hasnt done anything great recently to crack top 5.

[snake-eyes]

1.Couture
2.Silva
3.tie Rampage/ Tito
5.Belfort

[robbypark]

Tomorrow I'll post up the highly anticipated official mmafighting rankings topic in which everyone can post their rankings for each weightclass.

For me, the top 5 at 205 lbs are:

1. Wanderlei Silva
2. Randy Couture
3. Rampage Jackson
4. Tito Ortiz
5. Chuck Liddell

[Shamrocked]

1. Dan Henderson
2. Randy Couture
3. Quentin Jackson
4. Wanderlei Silva
5. Jeremy Horn

[claymore]

1. Dan Henderson
2. Randy Couture
3. Quentin Jackson
4. Wanderlei Silva
5. Jeremy Horn

no need to be a fuss but how do you have Quinton ranked higher than Silva when Silva beat him just barely? I know we're all a little biased in our lists, but let's try to be as unbiased with these lists as possible. I mean please, Jeremy Horn?

[just Brian]

Randy Couture
Wanderlei Silva
Rampage Jackson
Tito Ortiz
Dan Henderson

I'm Yoshida's number one fan, but I have to see him fight a couple more times before he breaks the top five.

[Lefty]

silva didnt "just barely" beat him, he kneed him to oblivion! he knocked the **** out of him, and if they had a rematch, he'd do it again!

shamrocked:hendo better than randy? i doubt ever dan would say that.

[claymore]

silva didnt "just barely" beat him, he kneed him to oblivion! he knocked the **** out of him, and if they had a rematch, he'd do it again!

shamrocked:hendo better than randy? i doubt ever dan would say that.

not just that, but there is simply no reason to have Jeremy Horn on that list.

[markwart]

1.silva
2.couture
3.jackson
4.yoshida
5.ortiz

[mirkochampion]

Tomorrow I'll post up the highly anticipated official mmafighting rankings topic in which everyone can post their rankings for each weightclass.

For me, the top 5 at 205 lbs are:

1. Wanderlei Silva
2. Randy Couture
3. Rampage Jackson
4. Tito Ortiz
5. Chuck Liddell
perfectly put

[Force]

1. Silva
2. Couture
3. Jackson
4. Henderson
5. Ortiz

[D241]

1.Randy Couture
2.Vanderlei Silva
3.Dan Henderson
4.Quinton Jackson
5.Chuck Liddell*


*as of now, Chuck still has wins over Vitor, and has yet to fight Tito, so until Tito fights Chuck and wins, and until Vitor proves he is consistant Vitor again, I'll keep it as is.

The only people I see as argubly being able to dethrown Chuck at 205 is Tito or Vitor, and he's beaten one, and feared by the other.

[Tony Montana]

1. Couture
2. Silva
3. Rampage
4. Tito
5. Liddell

I don't get how you guys can rate Dan Henderson above any of the five people I've listed above.

If Vitor can upset Couture at UFC 46 he'd rocket into 2nd place behind only Silva.

Liddell is dropping like a stone and his "top contender" days will be over if he gets dominated by Tito in UFC 47.

[Shamrocked]

not just that, but there is simply no reason to have Jeremy Horn on that list.[/quote]

Hey man, you do your list and I'll do mine alright. First of all, I think it's unfair to say that either Rampage or Silva is better than the other based on the fact that neither man was fresh for the fight. I put Rampage above Silva because I feel that he posseses more intangebles and I've never been impressed with the quality of Silva's opposition. If you do want to judge their respective pecking order based on this particular fight, I believe that Quentin was clearly winning the fight prior to the questionable ref stand up and would have gone on to do just that.

I believe that Dan Henderson has proven his worthiness time and again by beating almost everone he's ever faced in every conceivable way. That includes the "great" Noguiera, Alan Goes, Carlos Newton, Gilbert Yvel, Ninja Rua, Renzo Gracie and the guy who's dick was in everyone's mouth as the "best pound for pound in MMA" until Quentin beat him, Murillo Bustamante. I personally think he got hosed in his fight with Ricardo Arona and probably won the Silva fight too.

Jeremy Horn is more skilled than almost anyone on this list, and he definately fights more often than any of these guys (probably most of them put together). Just because he's not a UFC or Pride regular doesn't mean that he doesn't belong.

The bottom line is unlike yourself I don't read everyone else's list and choose mine based on the popular choices. I actually follow the sport and form my own opinions about it regardless of trends and hype. Besides, I don't think that the topic was "pick claymore's top five", so I'll go ahead and stick with my picks, and you can go ahead and include Rickson Gracie, Frank Shamrock, Bas Rutten, Luke Skywalker and Bruce Lee!

[robbypark]

Shamrocked, post your top 10 fighter rankings for each wieght in the sticky topic above. I'd be very interested in seeing your pics.

[Shamrocked]

Shamrocked, post your top 10 fighter rankings for each wieght in the sticky topic above. I'd be very interested in seeing your pics.Thanks robby. I will add my two cents worth, but I'm going to need a block of free time first. That's a daunting task. :)

[ROCKSTRONGO]

1 SILVA
2 NINJA RUA
3 BELFORT
4 COTURE
5 JACKSON/ORTIZ

[Cbear]

To a degree I think Horn suffers from Lindland syndrome. Thats where some fans just don't like his style regardless that his record is very impressive. He gets discounted for not having a certain persona. Horn is a top 10 guy for sure and I really wish he was a regular in UFC or Pride.

[Cbear]

1 Couture
2 Silva
3 Hendo
4 Rampage
5 Vitor

For some reason, I feel like I am forgetting someone that belongs at 5 or 6 but I can't get that thought to pop out. :D

Ok, there are obviously intangibles I used in my picks other than win/loss record. Couture/Silva are really tied at no 1 in my book. It certainly appears Coutures next fight will be against a much tougher opponent than Silvas next (not even sure who it will be). So if Couture beats Vitor and Silva beats anyone less than a top 5 guy, then Randy rockets to no 1 for sure in my book. In fact if Randy loses a squeaker to Vitor in a great fight and Silva beats a tomato can, I still will have a hard time giving Silva the respect of being no 1, but I also don't feel Vitor gets no 1 over Silva. However, if Silva takes out Kondo in dominating fashion, its a different story.

Hendo can beat just about anyone on my list with Silva or Couture giving him the most trouble. I really think he would take Rampage and Vitor. Rampage is still on the rise of his career arc and no 4 is respectable. Vitor gets 5 for being the champ more than anything else. Tito might be no 6 if I kept going but I don't think he can beat any of the 5 fighters I listed unless the fates intervene.

[creampuff]

This topic is all the way back from November. The top 5 has changed drastically since then with Couture's loss, Belfort's win, and Silva's continued domination.

[D241]

yeah, this topic is kind of old, but i'd just like to stick up for shamrocked and say that his explanation of his picks is perfect.

and although it is different than mine, we all can't agree, however i like robby's and shamrocks list the most after mine of course

[kimura]

1. Randy Couture
2. Vitor Belfort
3. Quinton Jackson
4. Wanderlei Silva
5. Dan Henderson

Yes, maybe I'm a bit biased, but everyone who put Ortiz or Liddell on their list are as biased as I am. I still think Couture is the best fighter in the division, because he totally owned both Liddell and Ortiz, who were considered to be the best in the weight class. Ortiz however dodged Liddell for about a year after he defeated Ken Shamrock and when he finally returned he got owned by Randy so I don't think it's fair to add him to a top 5. Jackson really deserves a rematch against Silva, yes, Silva beat him to oblivion but neither of the fighters were really that fresh, Jackson really used a lot of energy pounding Liddell to submission. I also think that Hendo is a great fighter, but I think he should give a rematch to Bustamante, because of the controversial headbanging they had. I consider Belfort to be number 2, just look at Randy Couture's or Marvin Eastman's faces after they had a match with The Phenom. I'd love to add Ricardo Arona on the list as well but I can't because he hasn't fought in two years (which is unfortunate, since he was the number one contender for a long time).

[DaBigHurt]

The only people I see as argubly being able to dethrown Chuck at 205 is Tito or Vitor, and he's beaten one, ...

yea, Vitor lost on 3 weeks notice. GREAT WIN FOR CHUCK! :roll:

[cyonbloodbane]

my top 5, kinda

1). Couture
2). Silva
3). Tito
4). Belfort
5). Henderson / Horn / Rampage (too close to call)

[ACIDBATHBELFORT]

1. Silva
2. Randy
3. Vitor
4. Rampage
5. Tito

I think the top 5 are seperated from the rest of the pack. Although I do think Hendo is right there with them.

[D241]

The only people I see as argubly being able to dethrown Chuck at 205 is Tito or Vitor, and he's beaten one, ...

yea, Vitor lost on 3 weeks notice. GREAT WIN FOR CHUCK! :roll:

that's your best retort?

hey man, vitor is my 2nd favorite fighter(chuck isn't #1), but chuck did get the W.
albeit was a split decision, but vitor didn't win, and chuck didn't lose, therefor, of the two fighters i mentioned in the quote in which you half quoted me, one had the chance and couldn't do it.

[themunchies]

It was a unanimous decision, not a split.

[D241]

bleh, vitor would whoop him now anyways...

[themunchies]

no he wouldn't.

[D241]

munchies....i'm talking about vitor whooping chuck.

wait, did you know that's what i meant? and you still said that?

[themunchies]

what makes you think that Vitor would beat Chuck if they fought right now? The fact that he impressively beat a nobody in Marvin Eastman?

Fact is, Chuck beat him the first fight. Vitor has not showed any sign of improvement at all since that fight so I don't know why you would think Vitor would whoop Chuck now.

Personally, I think it would be a great battle with Chuck coming out on top again.

[DaBigHurt]

what makes you think that Vitor would beat Chuck if they fought right now? The fact that he impressively beat a nobody in Marvin Eastman?

No, the fact that he fought on 3 weeks notice after being in a reality show in Brazil during which he had ZERO training. But he still manage to take chuck to a decision.

[Tony Montana]

1 Silva (will not change)
2 Couture (will not change)
3 Tito/Chuck/Rampage/Vitor (depending on what happens on April 2nd)

[kimura]

Well, in his last two fights, Liddell was pounded to submission, and in Vitor's last two fights, well, just take a look at Couture's or Eastman's face after the fight. And what's up with Ortiz in everyone's list, last guy he beat was Ken Shamrock who quit because of fatigue, after which Tito didn't fight for a LONG time, and when he finally returned he got squashed by Couture. If you're telling me they belong to the top 5 with eg Silva, Couture, Jackson, Belfort and Henderson, well, that's just wrong!

[nhbfan8080]

THe Couture thing was a fluke tight. Sure Coutures face was bloody but it was by accident.

[cyonbloodbane]

And what's up with Ortiz in everyone's list, last guy he beat was Ken Shamrock who quit because of fatigue, after which Tito didn't fight for

Kimura, you are joking right? He was the best pound for pound before Couture beat him, he's beaten guys like Kondo; Shamrock; Silva; Metzger; Sinosic, sorry don't see too many tomato cans in there and you wonder why he is in many people's top 5 list? After he kicks the **** out of Chuck will that be ok? or does he have to beat Couture (which I don't think he will) just cause he got beat by arguably one of the best all time fighters in Couture, a former heavyweight champion does not suddenly make him a chump.

[ACIDBATHBELFORT]

That was no accident. It was a punch that just missed really connecting. So there is no way that its a fluke. Tito can hang or beat anyone in the LHW division, except Randy. Randy seems to match up really well against Tito.

[kimura]

Yeah well if someone read my top 5 earlier where I mentioned leaving Arona out I was trying to be objective. I know Ortiz did beat a lot of guys and I thought the was unstoppable but the whole thing with Liddell was just sad and after that Chuck went on to lose against two fighters who are on my top 5 and Ortiz lost to Couture as well. Arona hasn't lost and no one put him on their top 5, because of the time he's been out, that's the same thing with Ortiz.

[DaBigHurt]

Rampage should be above Chuck. Couture should defentely be above Tito, Chuck and Vitor. i dont think Wanderlei has had that much competition yet, and he did get beat by Tito & Vitor anyway, but that was a long time ago. We probably will never know whos on top of the list until the top UFC fighter at 205 fights wanderlei Silva.

[DaBigHurt]

3 Tito/Chuck/Rampage/Vitor (depending on what happens on April 2nd)

What do Vitor & Rampage have to do with April 2nd? Didnt Rampage beat Chuck in the GP? I'm not being confrontational, I just wanted to know what u meant by it.

[Tony Montana]

What do Vitor & Rampage have to do with April 2nd? Didnt Rampage beat Chuck in the GP? I'm not being confrontational, I just wanted to know what u meant by it.

If Tito dominates Chuck then I'd probably see it as;

3 Tito
4 Rampage
5 Vitor

If Tito squeeks by Chuck

3 Rampage
4 Vitor
5 Tito

If Chuck dominates

3 Rampage
4 Chuck
5 Vitor

If Chuck squeeks by

3 Rampage
4 Vitor
5 Chuck

[D241]

what makes you think that Vitor would beat Chuck if they fought right now? The fact that he impressively beat a nobody in Marvin Eastman?

Fact is, Chuck beat him the first fight. Vitor has not showed any sign of improvement at all since that fight so I don't know why you would think Vitor would whoop Chuck now.

to answere your first question, vitor's approaching his prime, chuck is going past it.

if you want to ACTUAL facts, instead of your oppinion that you call a fact...
chuck liddell lost his last two fights, while vitor dominated marvin eastman.
i won't comment on the couture fight....

but look at your argument...or whatever you want to call it, because it's not much of one....

chuck lost his last two, and vitor cut a guy worse than i've ever seen via knee(vitor's a bjj and punching guy).

sure buddy, chuck's on the rise....and vitor's on the downfall :roll:

[DaBigHurt]

What do Vitor & Rampage have to do with April 2nd? Didnt Rampage beat Chuck in the GP? I'm not being confrontational, I just wanted to know what u meant by it.

If Tito dominates Chuck then I'd probably see it as;

3 Tito
4 Rampage
5 Vitor

If Tito squeeks by Chuck

3 Rampage
4 Vitor
5 Tito

If Chuck dominates

3 Rampage
4 Chuck
5 Vitor

If Chuck squeeks by

3 Rampage
4 Vitor
5 Chuck

Thats better dont 'cha think? :lol: By the way, I agree with your "prediction" stats completely.

[cyonbloodbane]

Kimura, I did not put Arona in there because I don't like him and hey it is MY top 5. Having said that I respect him and he has had victories over some though guys and I expect to see more of him in the next year.

[ACIDBATHBELFORT]

I think Tito is a top 5 fighter without a doubt, I do think he should drop out though if he were to lose to Chuck. I would have Hendo move up to 5 and Chuck move up to 6, with Tito dropping to 7. I cant see Vitor, who no matter what is the champ being ranked lower than 3. I wont deny, we dont know if Vitor will show up or not, but he is the UFC champ.

[themunchies]

Vitor Belfort is young but there uis no way he's going into his prime now. Vitor's prime is done. He was at the peak of his career a while back when he was knocking everybody out with his lightning fists. In my opinion, Vitor will never be as good again as he once was. Age has nothing to do with it, it's just simply evolution.

[Tony Montana]

Vitor Belfort is young but there uis no way he's going into his prime now. Vitor's prime is done. He was at the peak of his career a while back when he was knocking everybody out with his lightning fists. In my opinion, Vitor will never be as good again as he once was. Age has nothing to do with it, it's just simply evolution.

I think it's more of a matter of the fighters he faced back then. Tank, Ferrozzo, Telligman etc... those are all one dimensional fighters. And Vitor destroyed them with hand speed and power. Eastman tried to stand up and trade with him and we all know what happened there. The only guy to ever beat Vitor standing was Chuck. Would it have been different had Vitor had more notice, who knows?

I think Vitor needs to prove himself against more well versed fighters. If he defeats Randy that will prove that he's become the complete fighter.

[ACIDBATHBELFORT]

I do agree that Vitors earlier, more impressive wins for the most part were agaisnt one dimensioal fighters. Although, I think if he is focused Vitor can beat anyone. Or possibly, if unfocused he would lose to the top guys, I only see Vitor getting beat by the elite LHW. I think his natural skill and athleticism would get him by. I see no real excuse for Vitor losing to Chuck. Short notice or not. I think it does have some impact,which is obvious but Vitor just wasnt focused or aggressive. Chuck's style is made for Vitor, wild looping swings. Perfect for Vitors explosive straight punches. The Saku and Randy fights have more legit reasons. Although, I think Randy flat out was the better man. I hope we see a focused Vitor in the future. With his Muay Thai training I dont think he is at all passed his prime. I really feel that the pressure got to him. Vitor appears to be very sensitive. He doesnt have that "kill" mentality of a Wandy.

[D241]

Vitor Belfort is young but there uis no way he's going into his prime now. Vitor's prime is done. He was at the peak of his career a while back when he was knocking everybody out with his lightning fists. In my opinion, Vitor will never be as good again as he once was. Age has nothing to do with it, it's just simply evolution.

I do think age has alot to do with it, it's just that Randy Couture is the exception.

the time period you are reffering to, Vitor was 19-20yrs old, not even old enough to drink alcohal in the states...

Vitor is only 26yrs old right now.

in baseball, basketball, boxing, and football, a player is considered in his prime when he is in his mid to late twenties.
i think the same applies for mma.
i think the body starts slowing down(metabolism) after 30.
I don't have any concrete facts to back this up, but I'm sure many people would agree that a fighter 28yrs old against a fighter 38yrs old that the 28yr old would have the "age" advantage.
unless that 38 yr old was randy 3yrs ago.

[DaBigHurt]

Ok, no offence to Randy Couture- But the reason we are talking about Randy the way we are is because he lost weight and went into the LIGHTHeavyweight Division. Let's not forget that he had two bad losses to Josh Barnett & Ricco Rodriguez back to back in the heavyweight division. At his age his body couldnt carry the weight anymore. I guess the 204 division was a better fit for him.

I'm not taking anything away from Randy, but i doubt we'll be seeing him win against guys half his age when he's 45- It's a Scientific FACT that his body will reach menopause and start to gradually slow down.When that would be? i dont know-But lets hope its not anytime soon. Remeber in the Tito interview when he said that his body couldnt handle the training and hits that he could handle at age 25. Well the same thing happens to EVERYBODY, Randy I guess is one of those guys that maintained himself in shape. But his body can only do so much.

I give Randy 2 more years before he starts to drop from the top 10 LHW in the world.

[NewEnglandMMAFan]

1. Silva
2. Randy Cotoure
3. Vitor Belfort
4. Tito Ortiz
5. Rampage

[juntao]

I do agree that Vitors earlier, more impressive wins for the most part were agaisnt one dimensioal fighters. Although, I think if he is focused Vitor can beat anyone. Or possibly, if unfocused he would lose to the top guys, I only see Vitor getting beat by the elite LHW. I think his natural skill and athleticism would get him by. I see no real excuse for Vitor losing to Chuck. Short notice or not. I think it does have some impact,which is obvious but Vitor just wasnt focused or aggressive. Chuck's style is made for Vitor, wild looping swings. Perfect for Vitors explosive straight punches. The Saku and Randy fights have more legit reasons. Although, I think Randy flat out was the better man. I hope we see a focused Vitor in the future. With his Muay Thai training I dont think he is at all passed his prime. I really feel that the pressure got to him. Vitor appears to be very sensitive. He doesnt have that "kill" mentality of a Wandy.

What makes you think that vitor can beat anybody when he's focused? That's something that I find almost laugh out loud funny. There is no basis whatsoever to think that Vitor is focused one fight and not focused in another. According to most people's definitions, when Vitor was "focused" he was destroying all the crappy fighters of the past. Has he ever convincingly defeated a good fighter while "focused" other than an inexperienced Wanderlei Silva? No. The truth is that no matter how focused Vitor is, there are fighters that are just simply better than him that he won't beat no matter what.

Randy Couture and Sakuraba were just simply better fighters than Belfort. Belfort is an amazing striker but that can only pass so far. It wouldn't have mattered if Vitor was focused 100%, Sakuraba would have still gotten him down and raped him and Couture still would have gotten the clinch and pounded him.

[DaBigHurt]

An Inexpirienced Wanderlei? Now THATS ****ING HILARIOUS!!If Silva was inexperienced then so was Vitor, he was only 20 years old when he fought Wanderlei, so dont say that Silva was the only one who was inexperienced becuase they were BOTH 5-1 and Vitor was the younger fighter. So you dont know what your talking about. Stick to wrestling.

[ACIDBATHBELFORT]

Well said Dabighurt. Its not even necessarily a point of Vitor being focused or not. Its wether or not he is aggressive when given the oppertunity. Vitor is a counterpuncher and isnt comfortable taking the fight to someone. He waits for his moment and then attacks. Vitor was in control of his fight with Sak when he broke his hand, so I wont speculate because Sak is a great fighter, so I give it to Vitor for continuing.

[captainbluff]

Jeremy Horn, what a joke. He does not deserve to be in the 10. Despite his great record, if you look at it, he can't seem to beat the big name fighters.

[Shamrocked]

Jeremy Horn, what a joke. He does not deserve to be in the 10. Despite his great record, if you look at it, he can't seem to beat the big name fighters.Sure thing. The guy's only got like 65 wins against guys like Vernon White, Dean Lister, Gilbert Yvel, David Loiseau and Chuck Liddell. He drew with a much bigger Dan Severn (when he was good) and took Frank Shamrock, Ricardo Arona, Randy Couture and Antonio Rodrigo Minotauro Nogueira to decision. Yeah he blows! :roll: The guy has fought more than most people's top five list combined. Don't be a moron. The people on this board are too intelligent to expect to say dumb **** like that and not be called on it.

[hartigan]

i'm not very good at putting lists together like this, but i can say that i love couture, silva, and i know i will probobly get made fun of for this, but i think guy mezger would be on my top 5.

[DaBigHurt]

i'm not very good at putting lists together like this, but i can say that i love couture, silva, and i know i will probobly get made fun of for this, but i think guy mezger would be on my top 5.

Saying Metzger is not too far off, but I dont think he's 205,or is he? Well If he is, like we said before, Metzger is one of the most underrated fighters, he has done a lot, but never manages to get the wins he needs to be a top 5 contender.

[nhbfan8080]

Jeremy Horn, what a joke. He does not deserve to be in the 10. Despite his great record, if you look at it, he can't seem to beat the big name fighters.Sure thing. The guy's only got like 65 wins against guys like Vernon White, Dean Lister, Gilbert Yvel, David Loiseau and Chuck Liddell. He drew with a much bigger Dan Severn (when he was good) and took Frank Shamrock, Ricardo Arona, Randy Couture and Antonio Rodrigo Minotauro Nogueira to decision. Yeah he blows! :roll: The guy has fought more than most people's top five list combined. Don't be a moron. The people on this board are too intelligent to expect to say dumb **** like that and not be called on it.

Good point Shamrock, ppl need to do some research before saying he blows.

[ACIDBATHBELFORT]

Yeah for sure, both Horn and Mezger are probably the two most underrated fighters around. Both give their opponents all they can handle. Unfortunately, both seem to just fall short against the really top eschelon fighters. To say Horn blows is stupid.

[captainbluff]

Horn and Blows go hand in hand.. I will stick with what I said earlier, Horn does not crack the top 10. Like mentioned before records don't mean jack **** in MMA. Out of the 65 victories, how many were top rated opponents?

Horn will never be better than

Silva
Rampage
Couture
Belfort
Tito
Henderson
Kondo
Yoshida
NinJa Rua
Arona
Lil Nog
Bustamante

In fact, I think of Horn as somewhat of a Heath Herring type, he wins against average fighters ( exception of Kerr and Igor fights) but he losses to the top rated fighters.

By the way, Horn did not take Shamrock to a decision, Horn's ass was submitted via kneebar. Before you start name calling names, I suggest you do some research and calm down.

[robbypark]

Don't fret boys! The mmafighting.net official rankings vol. #2 results will be posted very soon!