Interesting take a Sak/Randleman..

[dogofwar]

taken from: http://quebrada.joshipuroresu.com/index.php

Kazushi Sakuraba vs. Kevin Randleman

Randleman had a crazy auto accident that he was lucky to survive with "only" a ridiculous 180 stitches. He gave an interview with his real hair talking about how he was taking everything more seriously now, but oÂ*nce it was time for the match he looked, acted, and fought as idiotic as ever. Sakuraba came out dressed as Super Mario because the Japanese call Randleman Donkey Kong. Otherwise, Sakuraba was the oÂ*ne that might have matured. He finally didn’t do his show wrestling moves, didn’t care about the crowd, and just tried to finally win another fight.

This was largely a dull fight, but I give Sakuraba credit for that because he wouldn’t beat Randleman in an exciting fight. Sakuraba got taken down when he finally initiated, but Randleman didn’t make him pay. Randleman was very patient, but he wasn’t making any sense. He basically wasn’t doing anything.

Sakuraba was trying two things. When Randleman had a reverse waistlock, he was trying to break Randleman’s clasp and swing into an arm bar. When Randleman was in his guard, he was trying to triangle him. Everyone but Randleman could see this. Randleman just played into Sakuraba’s hands because he wasn’t hitting Sakuraba or doing anything that would stop Sakuraba from spending all his time setting up the submissions. Randleman could have taken the side mount any time he wanted, and from there he could have hurt Sakuraba. Instead, he sat in Sakuraba’s leg scissors unable to mount any kind of offensive. It was embarrassing.

Eventually, Randleman beat himself. Sakuraba jerked the arm, but this waistlock counter he’d been setting up all match actually failed. He couldn’t hold the straight arm bar, but Randleman gave him oÂ*ne much better, he put him into position to get the udehishigigyakujujigatame. Both were oÂ*n their knees with Sakuraba trying to pull Randleman’s arm out, so Randleman could have tried lifting or rotating and he didn’t have to try anything in an instant because he’s so much stronger than Sakuraba he should be able to resist him for a while. Instead, he rolled to his back, just gift wrapping it for Sakuraba. If Randleman weren’t such a known doofus, I’d be thinking this was also a work. 3R 2:36


Whether you feel the fight was a work or not, maybe it wasn't. Maybe Randleman is just that big of an idoit. But the clear case work or not this realy didn't nothing for Sak because he really didn't do anything. If the fight was legit than Randleman is just a big retard, but that doesn't change the fact that this does nothing for Sak, actually this is worse for him because he will continue to think he can compete w/ the big guys..

A few other takes on the fight:

If ever I've seen a fight thrown, that was it! Was I the only one it was obvious to?
The first round when Randleman had Sak against the ropes with his back turned, it looked like Randleman couldn't figure out what to do. He refused to punch and barely seemed interested in a takedown. Then completely dropping the knee kicks when it obviously hurt Sak. Finally, watch how he just leaves his arm hanging there waiting for Sak to to take it and roll him at the end.
This fight is a perfect example of what's wrong with Pride.

Another:

I agree 100%. That fight was a joke! I would bet the house that it was a fix. Randleman could have slammed Sak several times but remain idle. The problem with Pride is that they need to have Asian fighters always in the mix. Which is fine, Yoshida earned my respect with his performance against Silva, but not at the expense of the integrity of the sport. I watched the event with 6 other guys. Everyone saw the fix was in after the first round.

Another:

Don't get me wrong; I am not a Randleman fan but you have to be a blindman not to see the fix in that fight.

I sat there watching what turned out to be the end...just before Sak took Randleman's right arm and rolled; I was watching Randleman just drop his right arm to a convenient spot for Sak. Don't take my word, rewind your tape and watch. He doesn't try to punch with that arm or even get a solid grip, he just lets it dangle. I'm watching this (already thinking its fixed) and I think to myself, it looks like he is waiting for Sak to take his arm....low and behold, what happens??? Sak takes the arm rolls him, a minor struggle for a weak armbar (that Kevin could EASILY have powered out of) Kevin then flops on his back and gives up the ghost.
Now I know Randleman has had some less than stellar performances but I have NEVER seen him look like he has no clue on how to grapple.

Like I said, rewind your tape, watch it again, then come back and tell me it wasn't fixed.

Well, at least it was better staged than the Taktarov/Macias fight way back when!

One more:

It's funny, I also thought the fight was fixed when I watched it. Im the last to buy into conspiracy theories and I believe 99.9% of fights are legit, but it just didnt look right. There was just this look on Randleman's face in the pre-taped interview and his entrance into the ring. Im a poker player, so I tend to analyze these things. I'm glad to see others agree.


My brother and I were watching the fight also, I posted my thoughts. You canot deny that Randleman has engaged w/ fighter s like Couture, Liddell, Ninja Rua, Bas Rutten, and Rampage..

Yet wouldn't commit to his punches w/ Sak. You look at that takedown and tell me that was a man trying to KO and beatdown another man? Many of you are Sak lovers who cannot look outside the box or even consider things. I have never been on the board, any board screaming work, I think there have been works in the past but this fight was so awful and the armbar was just so set up..

You could hear Coleman giving Randleman all the right instructions. Even if the fight was not a work, and Randleman is just that big a dumbass, Sak still has question marks all over him. He has not shown me or anyone that is unbiased that he can compete w/ and of the elite fighters. I used to think he could go down and rule the lighter weights but I think Dan Henderson may beat him silly now.

[just Brian]

Even if the fight was not a work, and Randleman is just that big a dumbass, Sak still has question marks all over him.

This guy has stated the essence of all of these conspriacy theories...which is: Even if if wasn't a work, I hate (fighter of choice) and that's all I need to convince myself that it was a work.

And again, the rest of this is just speculation on what fighter x should have, could have, would have done...but since they didn't it's a work.

[robbypark]

Once again, the fight was 100% not a work.

The reason for Randleman not being very active was:
1)He's an idiot
2)He tore his bicep durign the fight

You don't believe me about the bicep? http://kofighting.com

[kai]

get over it you freakin' sore loser! Sak won end of story and Randleman tearing bicep is proof that it wasn't a work.

you're such a sore loser it's not even funny. You chose Randleman to win and he didn't. Stop being such a pussy-ass baby and admit defeat.

[shayne]

please give it up dogofwar. This is a battle you cannot win because it is something only you believe. You need some true numbers if you want to influence the opinions of the MMA community, and that you don't have. Sakuraba won. He's better than Randleman. Case closed.

[Serialkilla]

Is this Dogowar guy serious?

Give me a break...

Sakuraba won...

This is ridiculous.

[D241]

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when it's all said and done.....'Nice avatar'

[dogofwar]

I don' t care about convincing you assholes, the same idoits that run off at the mouth here are retards anyways, I am just educating your sorry ass minds..


But your to ****ing dumb to even think. But you would scream work on Yoshida, or any fighter you don't like. Your a bunch a ***gots, I presenting you w/ a different point of view and you queers can handle it.

[uhhuhuhhuh]

I don' t care about convincing you assholes, the same idoits that run off at the mouth here are retards anyways, I am just educating your sorry ass minds..


But your to ****ing dumb to even think. But you would scream work on Yoshida, or any fighter you don't like. Your a bunch a ***gots, I presenting you w/ a different point of view and you queers can handle it.

Have another drink, then think about what you post. I'll take the high-road on a big fat no comment.

By the way, the final fight was a total work I mean Jackson ate a high-kick then just stood there and ate knees from Silva. Total work, can't you see a fix when you see one? :) I'll leave out the name-calling as you seem to be have done enough for everybody.

[just Brian]

Good grief, I think this thread is done. :shock:

[dogofwar]

Please..

I read post after post about people scraming work about many other fights, I posted different views of the fight, not people just screaming work, but different views..

But most of you ass clowns can't accept that. The good posters here don't have to resort to name calling and I was insulted in this thread first, but it's by people who have no clue anyways..

The fight was a work. But looking past that, it's just if that was Yoshida and not Sak people would be hollering to the hills that it was a work..

Watch the fight man, Randleman NEVER unloads on Sak, and look at that attempted slam and tell me that is a guy trying to win. He put him down about as safe as you can..

Watch his fight w/ Ninja or Rampage and watch that.

[dogofwar]

Good grief, I think this thread is done. :shock:

If you really thought that then you wouldn't have made such a pointless response, right?

[Cbear]

Guys, posts are going to start being edited or deleted if all we are going to do is attack each other. Its time to put aside any ill feelings over betting on the Pride show regardless of which side you are on. One reason I don't gamble is that its a fast way to turn friends into ex-friends.

My second point is that differing opinions are not only allowed, but welcomed here. Whether you think Sak is washed up, Yoshida is working fights, Sapp really has talent or Mirco is God, there will people who both agree and disagree with you. Make your case if you think you have one. Or just state your opinion and realize opinions aren't always factually based but hinge on preference and emotion which are different for all of us. Give your thoughts and keep an open mind.

Now, please tone down the baiting and attacks, and lets get back to talking MMA without personal attacks. Thanks for considering my post and giving it a try.

[Iron Maiden]

I personally don't feel the Sak vs Randleman fight was a work....I think Randleman is just too stupid and rebelious to either know what he is doing or take advice from someone who does.

I'm anxious to see Sak's next fight...Sak needs to come out a little stronger than he did against Randleman...he won the fight with a beautiful armbar...but he needs to be more aggresive instead of being so defensive.

Guess we will see in his next fight.

[uhhuhuhhuh]

Make your case if you think you have one. Or just state your opinion and realize opinions aren't always factually based but hinge on preference and emotion which are different for all of us. Give your thoughts and keep an open mind.


I was hoping somebody sensible was around here at the moment and Cbear/Mike answered the bell. Good statement Cbear, hear hear! If this was a democracy I'd vote for a certain post to be deleted *cough* which one I wonder *cough* but its not so, not that I dropped to that level and not to go that way....

As people previously posted in their opinions, Randleman seemed lost. Why didn't he do anything when he had Sak's back repeatedly? Ask him if you get the chance as we'll never know for sure.

Why did the ref stand up Jackson and Silva in the final? To give Silva a yellow card for not fighting even though Jackson was fighting and in a dominant position? Losing 10% of the purse was a lot better than not getting any purse.

NOTE: I'm not saying it was a work, I'm not saying Jackson would've won had they not been stood up, I am saying it gave Silva an advantage when he was at a disadvantage, I am asking why the ref stood them up. Again, ask the ref he knows why for sure.

[robbypark]

Why didn't Randleman unload on Sak? He tore his bicep during the opening minutes of the fight. That along with the fact that he's a freakin' retard.

And Cbear's right; let's try to keep things as civilized as possible.

[uhhuhuhhuh]

I personally don't feel the Sak vs Randleman fight was a work....I think Randleman is just too stupid and rebelious to either know what he is doing or take advice from someone who does.

I'm anxious to see Sak's next fight...Sak needs to come out a little stronger than he did against Randleman...he won the fight with a beautiful armbar...but he needs to be more aggresive instead of being so defensive.

Guess we will see in his next fight.

Good post.

Seemingly giving up weight and being at a strength disadvantage in my opinion Sak couldn't afford to be more aggressive and won by being defensive and when getting his opportunity taking it and submitting Randleman. Plus like you put so perfectly Randleman's to put it nicely being rebellious for not taking his corner's advice also helped Sak a ton :)

[uhhuhuhhuh]

Why didn't Randleman unload on Sak? He tore his bicep during the opening minutes of the fight. That along with the fact that he's a freakin' retard.

And Cbear's right; let's try to keep things as civilized as possible.

Good post

I forgot I read about the bicep tear after I watched the fight. That could stop a guy from unloading well with one arm anyways, Wouldn't have stopped him from unloading knees on Sak though :)

[Iron Maiden]

being at a strength disadvantage in my opinion Sak couldn't afford to be more aggressive and won by being defensive and when getting his opportunity taking it and submitting Randleman

Excellent Point that did cross my mind. I think you're right in assuming thats why he came out defensive.

In the clinches is where he should have been more aggresive. I understand not wanting to trade blows with Randleman...that would be stupid...but when Randleman had him in a clinch...I think Sak was WAY too defensive. I think he could have attempted a knee bar a couple of times but chose not too.

I guess he didn't want to miss and get pounded on...possibly even mounted...certainly not the place Sak wanted to be.

Sak fought well..and I'm extremely glad he won...but IF he fights Baroni...he is going to have to change his gameplan up a bit. Baroni WILL come out looking to knock his head off..I still believe Sak can beat him though.

Baronis one big weakness is his cockiness/ego.

[Serialkilla]

To the Moderators...

Didn't see the warning...

Responded and then looked back and saw the warning...

Won't happen again.

[grapplingengineer]

Yes, I picked Randleman to win, but preferred Sak to win. I'm glad Sak won, but I wasn't leaning very hard either way. That said, after the 1st round I was saying "There seems to be something wrong with this fight." By the end of the fight I was honestly asking myself IF this was a work.

Reasons why I thought it COULD be a work:

1-Randleman was acting psycho/active before the fight (as usual), but doing nothing during the fight (when he's usually pretty psycho); he did absolutely nothing,
2-Randleman has been through a serious accident and could be feeling pretty tough and indestructable (which is common), all the more reason to try to dominate
3-Randleman rarely runs out of gas, so CAN be very active,
4-Both fighters have been KNOWN to do Professional Wrestling, so are CAPABLE of fixing an outcome (you know that some fighters would never do that unless it was clearly that setting, such as IN the WWE, etc.)
5-Pride stands to heavily profit from a fighting Sakuraba,
6-Randleman strikes me as a person who wouldn't have a problem working this fight (morally, ethically, whatever you call it)(Sak I don't know, he seems like an honest and sincere person to me)

Reasons why I decided it wasn't a work:

1-Randleman not fighting in a fight is nothing new,
2-Randleman not listening to his corner is nothing new,
3-Sakuraba laying low (being calm) is strategically smart, as if waiting for a not-so-bright, hyper-active wrestler to fall into the submission trap,
4-Randleman has always talked and acted rather foolishly, cussing one minute, then literally seconds later saying how he doesn't cuss anymore (I'm not talking about the moral part, just the inconsistancy part), pointing to his head in the prefight interview and referring to it as "this head", telling others how he's going to tear his head off, then not do anything (yes, this COULD be a strategic move, but with all the other stuff he only seems inconsistant and not into strategy),
5-We know Sak can fight. He's a warrior. He's smart. He knew Randleman will slip up eventually, and a sub is the best & most likely way to take out a fighter like Randleman

And now people are talking about a Randleman injury.

The bottom line is that it's POSSIBLE it was a work, but there really isn't enough proof. Without more proof/facts, we can't rule-out a "goof-ball" Randleman who can and does do the most unlikely and even foolish strategy. Keep hunting for facts DogOWar; I'd like to hear them if they're out there.

I agree that people here ought to try and treat others with more respect. I'm trying, when I used to try alot less. What's the point of acting like you're a badass on a board like this. Here, if you want to be a badass you have to use logic, and insulting people is the opposite of logic...it's emotion gone bad. Like rolling into an armbar. Noone's gonna care what you/me have to say if you try to put yourself above others. Noone cares THAT much. Besides, if anyone here is such a badass, they ought to be taking it to the mat or ring, and if you can't leave it there you're either a half-assed fighter/trainer or too badass for them and need to go somewhere were your challenged. Noone respects the person that insults you and races off in his car, or insults you and races off to post in another topic.

I'm trying to be open to the work possibility, but so far I see too many other possibilities.

[robbypark]

Yes, I picked Randleman to win, but preferred Sak to win. I'm glad Sak won, but I wasn't leaning very hard either way. That said, after the 1st round I was saying "There seems to be something wrong with this fight." By the end of the fight I was honestly asking myself IF this was a work.

Reasons why I thought it COULD be a work:

1-Randleman was acting psycho/active before the fight (as usual), but doing nothing during the fight (when he's usually pretty psycho); he did absolutely nothing,
2-Randleman has been through a serious accident and could be feeling pretty tough and indestructable (which is common), all the more reason to try to dominate
3-Randleman rarely runs out of gas, so CAN be very active,
4-Both fighters have been KNOWN to do Professional Wrestling, so are CAPABLE of fixing an outcome (you know that some fighters would never do that unless it was clearly that setting, such as IN the WWE, etc.)
5-Pride stands to heavily profit from a fighting Sakuraba,
6-Randleman strikes me as a person who wouldn't have a problem working this fight (morally, ethically, whatever you call it)(Sak I don't know, he seems like an honest and sincere person to me)

Reasons why I decided it wasn't a work:

1-Randleman not fighting in a fight is nothing new,
2-Randleman not listening to his corner is nothing new,
3-Sakuraba laying low (being calm) is strategically smart, as if waiting for a not-so-bright, hyper-active wrestler to fall into the submission trap,
4-Randleman has always talked and acted rather foolishly, cussing one minute, then literally seconds later saying how he doesn't cuss anymore (I'm not talking about the moral part, just the inconsistancy part), pointing to his head in the prefight interview and referring to it as "this head", telling others how he's going to tear his head off, then not do anything (yes, this COULD be a strategic move, but with all the other stuff he only seems inconsistant and not into strategy),
5-We know Sak can fight. He's a warrior. He's smart. He knew Randleman will slip up eventually, and a sub is the best & most likely way to take out a fighter like Randleman

And now people are talking about a Randleman injury.

The bottom line is that it's POSSIBLE it was a work, but there really isn't enough proof. Without more proof/facts, we can't rule-out a "goof-ball" Randleman who can and does do the most unlikely and even foolish strategy. Keep hunting for facts DogOWar; I'd like to hear them if they're out there.

I agree that people here ought to try and treat others with more respect. I'm trying, when I used to try alot less. What's the point of acting like you're a badass on a board like this. Here, if you want to be a badass you have to use logic, and insulting people is the opposite of logic...it's emotion gone bad. Like rolling into an armbar. Noone's gonna care what you/me have to say if you try to put yourself above others. Noone cares THAT much. Besides, if anyone here is such a badass, they ought to be taking it to the mat or ring, and if you can't leave it there you're either a half-assed fighter/trainer or too badass for them and need to go somewhere were your challenged. Noone respects the person that insults you and races off in his car, or insults you and races off to post in another topic.

I'm trying to be open to the work possibility, but so far I see too many other possibilities.

Good post.

If you really analyze a fight like some are doing with Sak/Randleman, then you could pretty much say that there is a possibility that every fight we've ever seen, UFC or PRIDE, could be a work.

Think of it this way. If PRIDE was going to work this match, don't you think they would have tried to make Sau look better than he did?

Bottom line, it wasn't a work.

[Iron Maiden]

Think of it this way. If PRIDE was going to work this match, don't you think they would have tried to make Sau look better than he did?

Yeah...Sak apologized after the fight for a "boring fight".....if it was a work...everything should have been alot more action oriented...

Look at Tamura/Yoshida...I don't believe that fight was a work either but alot of people did....and at least that fight was all action so I could see how people could possibly see it as a work. The Sak/Randleman fight was too boring to be a work.

[Brazuca]

Think of it this way. If PRIDE was going to work this match, don't you think they would have tried to make Sau look better than he did?

Yeah...Sak apologized after the fight for a "boring fight".....if it was a work...everything should have been alot more action oriented...

Look at Tamura/Yoshida...I don't believe that fight was a work either but alot of people did....and at least that fight was all action so I could see how people could possibly see it as a work. The Sak/Randleman fight was too boring to be a work.

Actually that's the nature of the game: some fights will ever look like a work but, unless you have some pretty hard facts proving it, we will never know. Smart specullations might add to the story but they must be taken at their face value: just specullations.

[porkstar]

i'm sorry but people who say this was a work is stupid. Randleman bruised Saku with some hard shots standing up during that fight, and saku even nailed Kevin with a high kick!!!! If it was a work at all they would have made it filled with action and had Saku look good by subbing Randleman in the first round.

I laugh at the people who still say this was a work. it is absolutely ridiculous. Rampage vs Chuck looked more like a work than this fight.

[dogofwar]

Dogowhore...

I brand new here so I don't scream work like others...

Man you are the biggest crybaby...

I guess every Message board has to have one...

Start crying around because we tell you to basically get over the loss...

BTW get off Jackson's nuts...

It's one thing to be a fan but to try and emulate him is ridiculous.

This post makes nosense, emulate Rampage? You are a complete ****tard..

As for your play on words, any asshole who uses the name serialkilla deserves to be shot!!!!

Mods that was a response to an unwarranted attack on me.

[dogofwar]

i'm sorry but people who say this was a work is stupid. Randleman bruised Saku with some hard shots standing up during that fight, and saku even nailed Kevin with a high kick!!!! If it was a work at all they would have made it filled with action and had Saku look good by subbing Randleman in the first round.

I laugh at the people who still say this was a work. it is absolutely ridiculous. Rampage vs Chuck looked more like a work than this fight.

What!!!!

Those knees to the head were fake...

Geez, it's funny how people lay out an arguement and dip****s can only reply w/ a one line, "your dumb"..

The fact you think Rampage/Chuck looked like a work makes me get all I need to know about you..."ohhh, that soccer kick looks fake!"

[porkstar]

you're dumb :lol:

[JamesMcBee]

Dog O War,

I think what porkstar wrote was an example. WE all know that liddel/jackson fight was not a work. The win was one sided, jackson just beat the hell out of liddel. I dont think that he was saying that it was a work. Atleast that is what i got from his post. i think almost everybody understood his post.


jamesmcbee-

[robbypark]

I understood his post. He was simply giving an example of how stupid people can be when they say legit fights are works.

[Cbear]

ATTENTION: No more personal attacks, name calling and profanity used toward each other in an insulting manner. At this point the easiest thing for me to do is to delete this entire thread because it isn't worth my time spending an hour trying to edit a bunch of posts just to remove the insults. The bad thing is that there are some good comments along with the insults so I don't want to be forced to delete an entire post. Also, if someone posts insults, please DO NOT quote them in your post because then I have to edit your post as well as theirs which is double the work. Just ignore the insult and let us kill one post instead of half a dozen all quoting the original inflammatory remark.

I will leave this thread up for now because it is a good topic as many do feel the Sak fight might be a work and many do not--thus a perfect topic to debate. I will also not lock it down for now as I hope this warning will stop all personal insults and you can get back to debate without calling each other profanity laced insulting names. If not, it will be deleted completely. I am not taking sides or throwing stones, Im just asking for a return to civilized and intelligent debate.

I will post a sticky warning relating to this and appreciate your cooperation.

Cbear

[robbypark]

thanks for the notice Cbear. I apologize for any flaming or insulting I may have done in this post and I will attempt to not do so again.

[D241]

porkstar....

damn you beat me to it!!

I was going to say, if any fight of the night was a work, it'd be Chuck vs Rampage....

But first and formost, I don't think that any of the fights in Pride were pre-determined.Ref's may give fighters an advantage, but I strongly beleave that no fighter was paid to lose.

With that said, if you look at each fight, alot 'could be' worked, here is my list and reasons:

fight 1-bobish vs big daddy-when's the last time we saw goodridge win?
the japanese love his fighting spirit, but he hasn't won in a while, hey, put in kotc champion a guy who looks like a steroid child of chuck and tank, and goodridge will pound on him....

fight 2-chuck vs rampage.dana had 250k on chuck.dana was all about chuck winning, trained with chuck(he was present), and he knew what the stratagy was.
Chuck threw leg kicks that i can count on one hand, and he threw kicks that i can count on two hands, and still have some fingers left over.
Chuck, did not do his gameplan, yet would not get knocked out.

fight 3-yoshida vs silva.everyone, including me, picked silva by ko rd 1.
what happens, yoshida takes the champion down, is on top of the champion, the crowd goes crazy.he tries some subs, but to no avail.
rd 2 he takes some shots, gets all bloodied, loses the fight, but is a hero.

fight 4-mirko vs nog-mirko who is being talked about like bob sapp status, beats down on nog, lets nog up 7 times.he high kicked, punched, and his best flurry just happened at the end of round 1.
what happens next?start of rd 2 Nog rushes mirko, gets the take down, works to the mount, and pulls off a sub.

kev vs sak was how sakuraba would normally win.he'd play it cool, wait for oppertunaty, and hope to catch his opponent sleepin.

[dogofwar]

Yeah, I could see why you would think Chuck eating about 100 punches and knees was a "work"...

I could see why you would think Chuck on his back getting punched in the face looked like a "work"..

Lol...if that was Randleman/Yoshida people would scream WORK, but I guess it must be that bicep tear that Kevin got while throwing no punches or while not really doing anything...

The fact they came out w/ an injury makes it seem even more like a work. Fact is, Kevin didn't do jack ****, a bicep tear wouldn't cause him not to be able to kick, would it? How about being able to throw knees?

[creampuff]

must this be said again? Randleman is dumb and that's why he didn't knee. He didn't kick because he never has been able to!

Sakuraba outsmarted him and proved he's the better fighter.

[dogofwar]

That doesn't make sense, he is dumb, that's your explanation..

The guy wasn't dumb fighting Bas Rutten, Ninja Rua, he even exchanged w/ Rampage..but now all of a sudden he doesn't engage in fighting because he is dumb..

Throwing knees is second nature to guy fighting as long as he has. He is dumb...ok.

[Iron Maiden]

Just admit you were wrong. To hell with the conspiracy theories...put that out of your mind for a second...just admit..."Hey...I picked Randleman to win...he lost....so I was completely wrong in my prediction."....

If you can do that....then any theory you have after the fact is alright by me. My beef has nothing to do with why you think the fight was or was not a work...my only beef is the ridiculous ego and cocky attitude you have towards your picks. Everyone makes mistakes...yes even you....just admit that you were wrong and move on.

I picked Randleman to win as well...but he lost....so my pick was dead wrong...it doesn't matter what I think of the fight itself..the result is still the same...I LOST THE PICK.

If you cannot admit this then you are an extremely sore loser and I would hope that someday you will see the errors of your ways.

[dogofwar]

Yeah, kiss my ass...sore loser? I don't care about picking a fight wrong, that was never the point asshole..

Again I post real questions and all you idoits can do is come back w/ your a sore loser, or Randleman is just dumb..

And I don't care if you agree w/ me or not, it doesn't mean anything to me, I'm not trying to please or get anyone's approval, I could care less..

And if you actually READ what I wrote w/ various opinions of other poeple also, you would see MAJOR inconsistencies in the fight. You could see several things that looked real suspicious. But you can't form or write out an opinion all you can do is name call then say, or try to fling insults..

Then when Cbear says something your quick to suck up to him. But I will not be called any name or insult w/out blasting back. The fact that you guys have no real opinion speaks volumes..

I don't care about the picks man, I picked mostly all underdogs, you know why, cause I wanted to see the underdogs win and I already OWN the Smashing Machine DVD!!!!

[robbypark]

dogofwar, do you pay attention to anything? Cbear made a sticky topic at the top of the forum stating to NOT make personaly insults to other members. Iron Maiden did not personally insult you, read his post again if you think he did, yet like always, the only way you can respond back is to resort to flaming.

Try to pay attention to what's going on next time, ok?

[dogofwar]

Oh yeah, calling me a sore loser is not an insult..

Robby go back to watching lifetime for women...ok!!!

[robbypark]

Oh yeah, calling me a sore loser is not an insult..

he didn't call you sore loser. He said IF you couldn't admit to being wrong, then you're a sore loser. He didn't go straight out and insult you like you did to him.

[dogofwar]

THe point was never about the PICK! I never brought up the pick, I always discussed the fight..

Got it! I own the DVD, I picked mostly all underdogs, I don't care about the picks, all I wanted was a good show, and I got it..

Some of you around here can not take any Criticism of Sak, I have not initiated any insults Robby...I don't start ****, but I don't take none either.

[Iron Maiden]

Let me respond sentence by sentence.


Yeah, kiss my ass...sore loser? I don't care about picking a fight wrong, that was never the point asshole..

I think you may have missed the "No Insults" post at the top of the thread list...you might want to go back and check that out.


Again I post real questions and all you idoits can do is come back w/ your a sore loser, or Randleman is just dumb..

Another insult....and if you would have read...I explained why I didn't think the fight was a work...you only read what you want to read.


And I don't care if you agree w/ me or not, it doesn't mean anything to me, I'm not trying to please or get anyone's approval, I could care less..

Good for you....but the thing I addressed had nothing to do with what you thought of the fight...again..you only read what you want to read. Try reading my post again.


And if you actually READ what I wrote w/ various opinions of other poeple also, you would see MAJOR inconsistencies in the fight. You could see several things that looked real suspicious. But you can't form or write out an opinion all you can do is name call then say, or try to fling insults..

Do you realize how hypocritical you are in this paragraph? You have the nerve to say that I have personally insulted you? Show me where? All I have done in this post is show how you insulted ME


Then when Cbear says something your quick to suck up to him. But I will not be called any name ot insult w/out blasting back. The fact that you guys have no real opinion speaks volumes..

So now you want to play the "tough poster" image....it falls flat. Sucking up and AGREEING with him or two completely different things. No real opinions? I can only speak for myself but the first post I posted in this thread had ZERO personal insults and wasn't even directed at anyone! I simply was stating what I thought happened in that fight. THAT is my opinion...its real...its different than yours...but thats going to happen...get used to it.


I don't care about the picks man, I picked mostly all underdogs, you know why, cause I wanted to see the underdogs win and I already OWN the Smashing Machine DVD!!!!

THEN STOP BRAGGING ABOUT YOUR PICKS!

Sheesh....I have never even met you yet your ego comes right out through the PC Monitor I have in front of me. I can see it plain as day.

Listen..I like reading your posts...you have good knowledge and post good subjects at times...I don't hate you or want to see you "banned" or anything to that nature.

I just want to see you cut the personal insults to me, and admit when you're wrong. Now really...is that so hard?

[Iron Maiden]

Wow..four posts in the middle of me writing my one post.....this board has some activity on it today. :)


Oh yeah, calling me a sore loser is not an insult..

I never said you were a sore loser...I only said that if you can't admit you were wrong, and to this point you still haven't,you would be a sore loser.

Its not an insult...its a clear as day fact.

[dogofwar]

I have bragged about my picks?

Crack kills, you know!!!

[Iron Maiden]

Well,I can see this is hopeless.

Take care.

[dogofwar]

Yes, getting some of you to actually think is hopeless..

[D241]

guys, it's obvious that some people on here aren't on the same maturity level as alot of us, and it is easiest to flat out ignore post from someone making insulting remarks.
Just let them say what they say, the mature/civilized posters will see who is being immature and who is being an adult.

[dogofwar]

Real mature like stating to everyone to be above name calling while at the same time make a condescending post that has added to it and has nothing to do w/ the topic..

Yeah, real mature.