wanderlei silva interview-1/26

[D241]

http://www.globalmma.net/modules.php?s=&name=Sections&sop=viewarticle&artid =43

they also have a recent bas interview, but it mostly talks about his movies and such....

[Iron Maiden]

Good Interview....Silva seems like a good guy...he is certainly one of the best Middleweights in all off MMA right now...I think he has proven that.

[kai]

great interview. Silva is a pretty classy guy.

[dogofwar]

What a punk..

Ducking Rampage the number 1 guy, he doesn't get a title shot but hey, good to see Minowa getting a shot..

And he wants no parts of the cage, fight RAMPAGE! He wants no part of him. Let's see how many more smaller Japanese fighters he fed.

[scott]

dogofwar, you're so damn dumb.

Silva already pounded the **** out of Rampage and now he wants to fight Couture. Is that really that hard to understand? He'll give Rampage a shot in the due future, but the fight that everybody wants to see is Silva vs the UFC light heavyweight champion.

[dogofwar]

Yeah, I'm dumb, I have forgotten more about this sport then you will ever know..

Stupid ass, when was the last time Silva defended his title against the number 1 contender, 11-3-2001. That's right, that not a typo, almost 2.5 years since the number 1 contender has actually gotten to fight for the belt..

And you act like Rampage didn't take Silva down and ground and pound his ass, you act like Silva wasn't saved by the ref, so get the **** out of here with that, this needs to be settled..

If Silva beats Rampage one on one, I'll admit he is the better fighter..

Silva is a great finisher and a good fighter, but enough is enough, the number 1 contender needs to get his shot..

If he fights Randy, then ok, but he isn't fighting Randy. Rampage is the number 1 contender and what does Silva say, not anytime soon..WTF!!!

[Iron Maiden]

Yeah, I'm dumb, I have forgotten more about this sport then you will ever know..

Oooooo....Wow....You're so full of MMA wisdom it boggles the mind.

:roll: :roll:

Give me a break.

[dogofwar]

I see you don't dispute what I said..

Know why, because it's the truth. Silva needs to fight Rampage, one on one, no tourny ****, just defend the title against the number 1 contender..

He doesn't want to do that. And what's the point of having him kill Minowa? How does Minowa even fit in the mix?

I mean Minowa is 23-18-8, geez oh man..

Rampage just got done beating this man a few weeks ago.

[destro713]

Yeah... Silva is such a wimp. Only a wimp would join a tournament that required him to win THREE CONSECUTIVE FIGHTS to keep his belt. Real warriors would only do a single fight, because that is more impressive for some reason. (Please explain to me how this makes sense.)

[Iron Maiden]

I see you don't dispute what I said..

No I don't dispute what you said....

I pointed out your ridiculous cocky and arrogant attitude...like you are a Text Book full of MMA knowledge.

Its annoying.

[dogofwar]

I didn't call him a wimp, I called him a punk for not fighting the number 1 contender..

And let's not dwell to much on the tourny because he lost to Yoshida, the decision was bull**** and was saved against Rampage, that stand up was pure and utter bull****..

2.5 years since he has faced the number 1 contender, 2 and a half years..

And now he is going to kill Minowa who sucks, and has lost or drew more fights than he has won..and just got beat in his last fight w/ Rampage..

And when asked about fighting Rampage or Yoshida who both have legit beefs w/ the fights they had w/ the chump, I mean champ, he says, not anytime soon. And I believe him. I see him fighting Dos Caras Jr next..

Jesus.

[dogofwar]

Yeah... Silva is such a wimp. Only a wimp would join a tournament that required him to win THREE CONSECUTIVE FIGHTS to keep his belt. Real warriors would only do a single fight, because that is more impressive for some reason.

His belt was never on the line..

But I'm sure you knew that.

[scott]

dogofwar, you're the most biased poster I've ever had the displeasure of reading posts from. You never give props where props are due and you always think you're right, where the majority of the time you're completely wrong. You obviously have very little knowledge of MMA if any. Prove me wrong.

[Iron Maiden]

And let's not dwell to much on the tourny because he lost to Yoshida, the decision was bull**** and was saved against Rampage, that stand up was pure and utter bull****..

Now I know you're full of ****. I was rooting for Yoshida the entire fight....but by the end of the fight..I knew who deserved the win. They made the right call.

[dogofwar]

dogofwar, you're the most biased poster I've ever had the displeasure of reading posts from. You never give props where props are due and you always think you're right, where the majority of the time you're completely wrong. You obviously have very little knowledge of MMA if any. Prove me wrong.

You haven't said anything, what do you what me to prove you wrong on..

If it's such a displeasure, just skip right on past me, won't hurt my feeling..

It will just be one less bitch I got to worry about.

[destro713]

If you think that Silva's (decisive) victory over Rampage was the fault of a bad referee, then you're either blind, stupid, in denial, or all three. Rampage never found his groove in that fight, and Silva nailed him with some of the nastiest knees I've seen in a long while. Rampage was outclassed. Even Rampage himself has acknowledged that Silva was the better man that night. But you're a fan of Rampage, so there must be a way for you to make an excuse for him. I wonder... are there any fighters you really like who you feel have ever been beaten fairly? Or have all their defeats been screwjobs or flukes?

By the way, I definitely like Rampage more than Silva, and I was seriously rooting for Rampage. But I saw what happened, and I accepted it. Why can't you?

His belt was definitely on the line. Are you telling me that he would have kept his championship even if he was completely destroyed by Rampage? That is ridiculous.

If you're such guru of MMA, then why do we all think you're a biased know-nothing dumbass? Are you keeping all the real knowledge for yourself, or are you just full of ****?

And what's up with your thing about Yoshida? He took Silva down once, tried a choke near the beginning, failed, nearly got beaten by triangle (by a striker, no less), and spent the rest of the fight in defensive mode. How is that a victory? Explain it to me in detail so I may understand how his losing effort, however valiant it may have been, actually deserved a win.

[dogofwar]

And let's not dwell to much on the tourny because he lost to Yoshida, the decision was bull**** and was saved against Rampage, that stand up was pure and utter bull****..

Now I know you're full of ****. I was rooting for Yoshida the entire fight....but by the end of the fight..I knew who deserved the win. They made the right call.

I'm full of ****, me and the masses who felt Yoshida won, or at least deserved a split decision loss..

But you are right, they made the right call, because EVERYONE wanted Rampage/Silva. So you are right on that part. But rematch shouldn't be out of the question to anyone, unless your Silva that is.

[dogofwar]

If you think that Silva's (decisive) victory over Rampage was the fault of a bad referee, then you're either blind, stupid, in denial, or all three. Rampage never found his groove in that fight, and Silva nailed him with some of the nastiest knees I've seen in a long while. Rampage was outclassed. Even Rampage himself has acknowledged that Silva was the better man that night. But you're a fan of Rampage, so there must be a way for you to make an excuse for him. I wonder... are there any fighters you really like who you feel have ever been beaten fairly? Or have all their defeats been screwjobs or flukes?

By the way, I definitely like Rampage more than Silva, and I was seriously rooting for Rampage. But I saw what happened, and I accepted it. Why can't you?

His belt was definitely on the line. Are you telling me that he would have kept his championship even if he was completely destroyed by Rampage? That is ridiculous.

If you're such guru of MMA, then why do we all think you're a biased know-nothing dumbass? Are you keeping all the real knowledge for yourself, or are you just full of ****?

Look idiot, do your dam homework, the title was not on the line. Even if Rampage had won, he wouldn't have won the title, you are right though it ridiculous that Rampage can't get a title shot..

Even though he has been the number 1 contender for almost a year..

I do accept it, and if you think Rampage had no groove your a retard. He took Silva down, owned him on the mat and was grounding and pounding his ass..

Silva was saved because the ref gave him a yellow card for lack of action, and gives him a chance to stand back up..

A yellow card should not save you..

He caught Rampage w/ a great knee, and he finished the job. But Rampage had him on the ground, he was working, and busted Silva open, and he was winning..

Give him his title shot already..

Not everyone here thinks I'm dumb, just the dumbasses..

[Iron Maiden]

Look idiot, do your dam homework, the title was not on the line. Even if Rampage had won, he wouldn't have won the title, you are right though it ridiculous that Rampage can't get a title shot..

Even though he has been the number 1 contender for almost a year..

I do accept it, and if you think Rampage had no groove your a retard. He took Silva down, owned him on the mat and was grounding and pounding his ass..

Silva was saved because the ref gave him a yellow card for lack of action, and gives him a chance to stand back up..

A yellow card should not save you..

He caught Rampage w/ a great knee, and he finished the job. But Rampage had him on the ground, he was working, and busted Silva open, and he was winning..

Give him his title shot already..

Not everyone here thinks I'm dumb, just the dumbasses..

Numerous ridiculous personal insults.

Stop with the childish name calling and just debate the topic at hand. Can't you just stick to explaining the topic without the namecalling?

[dogofwar]

Look idiot, do your dam homework, the title was not on the line. Even if Rampage had won, he wouldn't have won the title, you are right though it ridiculous that Rampage can't get a title shot..

Even though he has been the number 1 contender for almost a year..

I do accept it, and if you think Rampage had no groove your a retard. He took Silva down, owned him on the mat and was grounding and pounding his ass..

Silva was saved because the ref gave him a yellow card for lack of action, and gives him a chance to stand back up..

A yellow card should not save you..

He caught Rampage w/ a great knee, and he finished the job. But Rampage had him on the ground, he was working, and busted Silva open, and he was winning..

Give him his title shot already..

Not everyone here thinks I'm dumb, just the dumbasses..

Numerous ridiculous personal insults.

Stop with the childish name calling and just debate the topic at hand. Can't you just stick to explaining the topic without the namecalling?

Look meathead, you just skip right on past the names I'm called..

Stop crying, and if you want to debate, debate, but if you call me a name, I will fling it right back at 'cha..

[destro713]

I'm full of ****, me and the masses who felt Yoshida won, or at least deserved a split decision loss..

First of all, a fighter can't "deserve" a split decision. That doesn't mean it's a closer fight. It just means that one of the refs disagreed. There is no sensible person in the world who would say "I think that judge A and B should pick Silva and judge C should pick Yoshida, because it was close and I'd be happier if one of them was incorrect."

And second of all, the masses felt that Yoshida won because Yoshida's Japanese, you clod. He was repping Japanese judo and Silva was repping Brazilian kickboxing. Who the hell do you think they're gonna want, with all their hearts, to get the win?

[dogofwar]

I'm full of ****, me and the masses who felt Yoshida won, or at least deserved a split decision loss..

First of all, a fighter can't "deserve" a split decision. That doesn't mean it's a closer fight. It just means that one of the refs disagreed. There is no sensible person in the world who would say "I think that judge A and B should pick Silva and judge C should pick Yoshida, because it was close and I'd be happier if one of them was incorrect."

And second of all, the masses felt that Yoshida won because Yoshida's Japanese, you clod. He was repping Japanese judo and Silva was repping Brazilian kickboxing. Who the hell do you think they're gonna want, with all their hearts, to get the win?

You say dumb **** all the time, but this is pretty dumb..

"First of all, a fighter can't "deserve" a split decision. That doesn't mean it's a closer fight. It just means that one of the refs disagreed."

Why do you think they would disagree, BECAUSE IT WAS CLOSE!!!!

"And second of all, the masses felt that Yoshida won because Yoshida's Japanese, you clod."

So what about the rest of the world who felt he won. What about the interviewer asking him if he would rematch Yoshida? Why do you think people are asking for a rematch w/ Yoshida. Because he lost, no my simple minded friend, it's because he won, or at worst lost a razor close fight.

[Iron Maiden]

Look meathead,

Ahh...another personal attack. Shows your lack of character...maybe you and Baroni should hook up?

you just skip right on past the names I'm called..

No I didn't...they are wrong as well. Namecalling is a silly,childish, thing to do. It achieves NOTHING.

Stop crying, and if you want to debate, debate, but if you call me a name, I will fling it right back at 'cha..

The sign of no humility what-so-ever and the typical American UFC fan attitude I described in the other thread. You really need to get over yourself already...your ego is outof control.

[destro713]

I don't need to argue with you about who won that fight. The announcers, the ref, all smart fans, Rampage himself, and I all know Silva won that fight cleanly and bull****-free. We're entitled to that opinion, and you're perfectly entitled to be wrong.

[dogofwar]

I don't need to argue with you about who won that fight. The announcers, the ref, all smart fans, Rampage himself, and I all know Silva won that fight cleanly and bull****-free. We're entitled to that opinion, and you're perfectly entitled to be wrong.

Yeah, because I'm the only one who said that stand up was bull**** right? Bas didn't disagree w/ the stand up and feels Rampage deserves his title shot, right? Randy Couture who talked about how Rampage was doing his thing on the ground, yeah nobody else feels this way, just me..

Right!

Plus I didn't say Silva's win wasn't clean. I said it was, but there is question marks on the stand up, and that a yellow card can't save you from taking GnP punishment..

Either way, Rampage is the number 1 contender, and when it was brought up about fighting him, he says not anytime soon..

But hey, I guess Minowa really earned his shot.

[dogofwar]

Look meathead,

Ahh...another personal attack. Shows your lack of character...maybe you and Baroni should hook up?

you just skip right on past the names I'm called..

No I didn't...they are wrong as well. Namecalling is a silly,childish, thing to do. It achieves NOTHING.

Stop crying, and if you want to debate, debate, but if you call me a name, I will fling it right back at 'cha..

The sign of no humility what-so-ever and the typical American UFC fan attitude I described in the other thread. You really need to get over yourself already...your ego is outof control.

Yeah the high and mighty, I'm better than the typical american fan because they don't appreciaite as much as I do the fine detials of mat work and grappling, real humble..

[destro713]

Understanding why it's fundamentally nonsensical for one viewer to pick a winner by split decision requires you to juggle more than 1 concept in your head at one time, so I don't expect you to be able to figure it out without making a diagram. Just leave it at this: When you have picked your winner, why would you think it's more correct for one of the judges to disagree with you?

People are asking for a rematch because the first fight was exciting, not because it was a screwjob. Find me ONE professional opinion from a ref, a fighter, a judge or whatever (NOT something from the judo community) that Yoshida won that fight, and I'll give you the service of re-watching it. Until then, it's your analysis versus everyone else's. And considering the piercingly unbiased, eagle-eyed analyses you've offered on this board in the past, I'm kinda inclined to trust the other people... you know, the entire MMA community.

As for Rampage, it's funny how I never heard him mention getting screwed with the standup. If it blew his chances, you'd think he would have mentioned it, or at least not deliberatrly said that he was beaten fairly.

Arguing with blockheads on the internet is a waste of time. It's always the same... you can't win an argument with a blockhead because blockheads are masters of cyclical logic, and peppering it with 7th grade insults. ("Clod" has more cachet than "meathead.") The only way I'll truly win this argument is to have the great majority of the board agreeing with me (which I do) and then stop posting (which I will). Besides, this jerkoff festival of quoting peoples' quotes of peoples' quotes of peoples' quotes is getting hard to follow. Nobody cares who called who what as long as one person is obviously wrong. I'm going to bed.

[dogofwar]

Understanding why it's fundamentally nonsensical for one viewer to pick a winner by split decision requires you to juggle more than 1 concept in your head at one time, so I don't expect you to be able to figure it out without making a diagram. Just leave it at this: When you have picked your winner, why would you think it's more correct for one of the judges to disagree with you?


The true irony here is that you talk about someone's intelligence when you can't grasp a simple concept. You have three judges, had Yoshida at least score a victory on one of the card would have shown the real result in how close it was. I am not saying a judge should change his card, but Yoshida should have won on at least one judge's card, because many felt he won the fight period. But you didn't even know the title wasn't on the line..

So keep talking..

People are asking for a rematch because the first fight was exciting, not because it was a screwjob. Find me ONE professional opinion from a ref, a fighter, a judge or whatever (NOT something from the judo community) that Yoshida won that fight, and I'll give you the service of re-watching it. Until then, it's your analysis versus everyone else's. And considering the piercingly unbiased, eagle-eyed analyses you've offered on this board in the past, I'm kinda inclined to trust the other people... you know, the entire MMA community.

The entire MMA community is not in agreement that Silva won that fight hands down. I never said screwjob dickhead, but there was a lot of people that wanted a Rampage/Silva final..

But of coarse in your mind, Silva defended his title throughout the tournament..lol..what a clown..

Arguing with blockheads on the internet is a waste of time. It's always the same... you can't win an argument with a blockhead because blockheads are masters of cyclical logic, and peppering it with 7th grade insults. ("Clod" has more cachet than "meathead.") The only way I'll truly win this argument is to have the great majority of the board agreeing with me (which I do) and then stop posting (which I will). Besides, this jerkoff festival of quoting peoples' quotes of peoples' quotes of peoples' quotes is getting hard to follow. Nobody cares who called who what as long as one person is obviously wrong. I'm going to bed.

You know what's worse, debating w/ buffoons who haven't a clue, but in your mind Silva defended the title throughout the tournament, you need some sleep..

Calling someone a clod is so cool..

[Tony Montana]

What "other goals" can he possibly be referring to??? It can't be defeating a tomato like Minowa. He must be referring to the Heavyweight GP. I hope so.

[DaBigHurt]

Silva Doesnt have to fight Rampage, Like he said in the interview: He Has" Other goals to achieve" Theres no1 in PRIDE right now who can take Wanderlei's belt in a championship fight, Including Rampage. Why do you think he's going for the HWGP?

Now, back to the topic at hand, I just wanna say that its great noticing that Silva REALLY cares about every single one of his fans. The fact of thanking one of his fans for the drawing shows how much of a great guy Silva is. Much props to Wanderlei and the best of luck in his next fight.

I think a RandyXSilva would be one of the greatest fight ever....

[tom_dot_com]

Silva HAS to fight Rampage. I don't even hate Rampage but it has to happen on equal footing (which may not happen in PRIDE)

You can't say Silva is the better fighter based on their last fight. Rampage was gassed out.

[destro713]

I'm done responding to dogofwar's posts until I have evidence that he's not a 13-year-old with Down syndrome.

Rapmage was a little bit gassed, yes, but his fight with Liddell looked less strenuous than Silva's fight with Yoshida. Silva would have been more tired than Rampage had it not been for his superior conditioning. Not that Rampage's conditioning is bad... Silva's is just better.

[Tony Montana]

What if Vitor pulls off the upset? Will everyone be asking for Belfort x Silva 2? I sure will be.

[captainbluff]

What if Vitor pulls off the upset? Will everyone be asking for Belfort x Silva 2? I sure will be.

That will be a great fight, I'd also like to see Silva v Tito 2 or how about Silva v Cro Cop 2...sooooooo many possibilities

[destro713]

Silva/Belfort 1 wasn't even really a fight. Belfort got in a lucky shot and it was over. If they had gone more than a minute with each other, or at least clinched or gone to the ground once, it would have been a much different fight. After all, I'll believe that Belfort was a better fighter than Silva at that point, but I'm not about to believe that he was better by such a huge margin that he was able to beat Silva in 30 seconds with his skills alone. That was luck.

Regardless, a Silva/Belfort fight in 2004 would be awesome, especially if Belfort beats Couture.

[ACIDBATHBELFORT]

Wandy is a great fighter, there is no doubt there. No matter who was gassed more, he beat Rampage. I like Rampage more there I did before, by the way he took the beating, didnt make excuses and smiled at Wandy while eating punches. I would like to see a rematch myself, but I think its gonna take too long. As far as the Wandy/Vitor rematch or possible Randy fight. I think Wandy should have fought Rampage this Pride and have the two winner face off as well as the two losers. I think Vitor matches up well against Wandy, IF he is focused and prepared. Thats the thing with Vitor, he could very well be the best in the world one fight and then just a good fighter the next. I hope he is dedicated like he claims he will be and shows consistancy. That was not a lucky flurry Vitor hit Wandy with, that was just Vitor not being lethargic and jumping at an opening.

[Tony Montana]

Winning the lottery is lucky. Nothing is lucky in fighting.

[dogofwar]

Winning the lottery is lucky. Nothing is lucky in fighting.

This guy is retarded. Belfort had to get lucky, Belfort is an explosive fighter, there is no luck to it..

13 year old? A 13 year old would have known that Silva didn't put the title on the line in the GP. A 13 year old would know that Silva hasn't defended the belt against the number 1 contender in 2.5 years. A 13 year old would know that Rampage was to recieve his title shot at Pride 26, Silva pulled out to train and get ready for the GP, and anyone w/ eyeballs knows that Silva vs. Rampage for the belt HAS to happen.

[dogofwar]

Wandy is a great fighter, there is no doubt there. No matter who was gassed more, he beat Rampage. I like Rampage more there I did before, by the way he took the beating, didnt make excuses and smiled at Wandy while eating punches. I would like to see a rematch myself, but I think its gonna take too long. As far as the Wandy/Vitor rematch or possible Randy fight. I think Wandy should have fought Rampage this Pride and have the two winner face off as well as the two losers. I think Vitor matches up well against Wandy, IF he is focused and prepared. Thats the thing with Vitor, he could very well be the best in the world one fight and then just a good fighter the next. I hope he is dedicated like he claims he will be and shows consistancy. That was not a lucky flurry Vitor hit Wandy with, that was just Vitor not being lethargic and jumping at an opening.


There is no reason that it should take too long to make the rematch w/ Rampage/Silva happen. Do you really think Silva is going to fight Randy or Vitor? Notice he says he won't fight them in the UFC. so that means agian the UFC would have to send it's fighters to Pride while Pride has yet to live up to it's obligations to the UFC..

Plus the winner of Randy/Vitor will fight the winner of Chuck/Tito. Randy will not be fighting Silva. I hope he does but I can't see the UFC sending any fighters to Pride since Pride totally backed out of lending fighters to the UFC.

[destro713]

Somewhere in my last few posts, there are responses to all the points you just tried to make. You're repeating yourself.

And there most definitely IS a person who the fans want Silva to take on before a Q-Jax rematch: Yuki Kondo.

[dogofwar]

OK, you call the **** you wrote responses? Oh, ok..

I thought you were just tired because they make no sense..

Silva vs Rampage is the fight, not just because that's what the fans want. But because Rampage is the number 1 contender and deserves his title shot..

Kondo, sure we would take that fight, but if there is one guy that people want to see fight Silva instead of Rampage, it's Randy Couture, other than that, most people know this is the fight..

Again not just a fight that people want to see, Rampage deserves it, and Silva hasn't defended the belt against the nnumber 1 contender n 2.5 years, I think it's a point that deserves to be made over and over agian.

[destro713]

Of course Couture would be the #1 choice, but as you detailed in your last post, Couture/Silva will never happen because the UFC isn't going to send another one of their top fighters over to Japan when Pride still hasn't sent any. A fight with Kondo, on the other hand, is almost imminent. A match with Silva is practically THE reason why Kondo's in Pride. He's the great Japanese hope to dethrone Silva.

The next opponent for Silva should be Kondo and the next one for Rampage should be Yoshida. It would be good for Yoshida because top tier opponents are what he needs to prove that he's not all hype, and it would be good for Rampage because a win would put even more wind in his sails, and a loss wouldn't hurt him too much because Yoshida is so highly regarded, even after his performance against Gracie.

[dogofwar]

What is the point of having a number 1 contender if they never get a shot? Arona beat Ninja for the number 1 contendership, never got a shot, he isn't even mentioned, Rampage beat Randleman to become the number 1 contender, never gets a shot..

Kondo has no business fighting Silva until Silva fights Rampage. But it would be better than Minowa..

[destro713]

I've been meaning to ask you this. Does Pride actually have an official #1 contender, or do you just consider the guy who's #2 on most peoples' rankings to be the top contender? I was pretty sure that all the different MMA rankings out there were unofficial.

Where's the news that says Minowa is getting a shot at Silva? I don't recall reading that. It must have been announced while I was immersed in my school ****.

[dogofwar]

Dude, yes they have number 1 contenders, when Arona faught Ninja Rua, they even said this was decide the number 1 contender..

Rampage/Randleman that was the selling point of the fight. Winner becomes the number 1 contender and gets a title shot at Pride 26..

They backed off Pride 26 because Silva wanted to train and get prepared for the GP. They also made it clear that Silva's title was NEVER on the line in the GP..

So unless Silva fights in the HW GP or fights Randy Couture, he should be fighting Rampage Jackson.

[Tony Montana]

Silva should fight Arona and Rampage before anyone else.

That said Silva will more likely fight Kondo, Yoshida and a couple of tomatoes along the way.

The Japanese love their Japanese fighters.

[robbypark]

Winning the lottery is lucky. Nothing is lucky in fighting.

no luck in fighting? Of course there is. Ever heard of Sakuraba/Schembri?

[Cbear]

If champions do not fight no 1 contenders then there is no purpose to rankings and fighting ones way up the ladder. The champ should fight the no 1 contender and if he beats him, then he fights no 2, and so on down the list. He shouldn't be fighting guys all over the ranking list unless there is an injury and replacement is needed. Also I think every fight should be a title fight or it devalues the title. In my opinion you create an important belt when only the top dogs fight for it and its always on the line. Maybe I'm being simplistic about it, but thats the way I'd like it.

[caveman]

If Rampage had beaten Silva in the GP then a big case could be made for Rampage getting another shot against Silva. But since Silva fairly destroyed Rampage, Silva should not have to fight Rampage as of yet.

[D241]

damn, i posted this last night, come here today to see 3 pages, and it's all flame wars.

moderators, i wish someone would step in and stop all this name calling trash talking curse filled replies.

look, i think dogofwar has a legit OPPINION.
first off, i don't like silva, and i LOVE rampage.it was a close fight, but due to rampages first fight, i feel he was at a disadvantage, but silva, probably would have dominated if the fight had continued(which i wish it did)

rampage vs silva should definatly happen, but i definatly do not question silva's skill and determination for wanting to fight the other proven dominant lhw randy couture.

dogofwar does have mma knowledge, does post informative stuff, BUT

DOGOFWAR-PLEASE, when will you learn that bashing other posters isn't going to get people to see things your way, or make you more welcome to this message board?

you post valueable information, and i appreciate it, but why you insist on calling members names and such i do not know.
i know other members call you stuff, and they shouldn't, but you see....
when you throw mud, understand that your hands will get dirty.

it hasn't been a year, and you are calling vanderlie a coward.look, i DO NOT like him, but he is definatly one of the best lhw's in the world right now, and you would prove me wrong about you if you disagreed to that statement of him being in at least the top 5.

i feel that at lhw, couture and silva are 1 & 2.
I feel that is deserved by both of them.
i also feel, that if wanderlie and rampage were to fight sometime on a future card with no fights the same night between them, i think that rampage would win.

give credit to where credit is due, and also, i would have liked to have seen yoshida beat wanderlie, because for one i don't like wanderlie, two i think rampage would have won the finals.

but silva definatly beat yoshida.yoshida's strongpoint is his grappling and submissions, and silva's strong point is his striking, yet silva, being the skilled fighter he is almost submitted yoshida with a triangle.

come on man, with your mma knowledge you could so easily be more respected on this board, if you just went about posting the right way.

[dogofwar]

D241 let me clear some things up, then maybe you will understand me a bit more..

1. I'm not trying to get people to see things my way or feel welcome here. There are a lot of people who post here and I seem to have verbal confrontations w/ the same select few..

These few also call me names and then cry about name calling. I do not throw the first inslut in a debate. But I will throw the last..

2. I NEVER called Silva a coward, I called him a punk. To me a punk is a guy who claims to be the best, which he does, and he is a dam good fighter, which I also pointed out, but doesn't face ANY of the top contenders..

Many people called Tito a punk for not fighting Chuck, why, because they wanted the champ to fight the number 1 contender..

Two and a half years since Silva fought the top contender..

Look at who Silva is fighting, Minowa, and he wants to set up a fight w/ Kondo. Come on already! Defend the belt, can anyone even remember when Silva defended the title? And they have one of the most stack MW divisions, yet no one gets a shot at the title. Rampage has been the number 1 contender for almost a year now. Not only does he deserve his shot, but it's also one of the most attractive fights in MMA. I don't want to hear the champ when asked about fighting top challengers like Rampage and Yoshida say not anytime soon. While setting up fights w/ guys that pose no threat whatsoever. When Sak was the man, did he say, oh no, I'm not facing Silva anytime soon, I'm not facing Vitor Belfort anytime soon, I'm not facing Allen Goes anytime soon, If your the champ then be the champ and defend the belt against the number 1 contender, and like it or not, Rampage is that man..

Nuff said.

[Iron Maiden]

These few also call me names and then cry about name calling. I do not throw the first inslut in a debate. But I will throw the last..



It will just be one less bitch I got to worry about.

I never called you one name and then you call me a bitch?

The problem with you is that...you're right no matter what. (in your eyes at least) Take for example your "picks" for one of the events a while back. You said in your picks you're always 95% right...and yet you came in dead last once it was all said and done. But will you admit defeat? Nope.

Then you guranteed Randleman would beat Sak...he lost...so you cried that it was a work...just because your ego was bruised that you were dead wrong. You couldn't just say..."hey...I lost that pick...thats the way it goes"...you had to go off and spout that ridiculous non-sense about it being a work.

Look man...I don't hate you...I enjoy reading EVERYONES posts...but your ridiculous ego is really making you look bad. Just a little advice....admit that you are wrong when you're wrong...everyone will respect that a whole lot more than making up an excuse.

[dogofwar]

First off, you said I was full of ****, and a couple other things, all I called you was a meathead, show me where I called you bitch in this thread..

That qoute was in direct response to a qoute that I had, it was directed at Scott, and I quoted his comments to me..

That wasn't directed at you..

I never said I'm always 95 percent right, if that was the case I'd be in Vegas..

I have joked many times about coming in last place..

I do think the fight was fixed, you don't, fine. I know that I watched a world class wrestler who attacked Bas Ruuten, Rampage Jackson, and trains w/ Kerr. Ricco, and Coleman, but wouldn't attack Sak. I know that Randleman did everything wrong in that armbar. I know that Randleman only needed to stand up. Randleman is either a retard or he threw the fight. You can listen to Coleman give Kevin all the right advice. I think Pride needed Sak to get a big win, and I think it was fixed. That's my opinion and I never stated it as fact..

Dude, I don't give a **** about you liking me or not.

[Cbear]

D241 I hear what you are saying and the name calling is getting a little old. Great debates and wildly different opinions are what keeps things interesting and often hilarious. But, if everyone would just not add in the "dickhead, ****wad, ****head, asshole, bitch, yada yada yada" insults things would be perfectly fine.

Can we do that or not? I'm beginning to think its not possible. :?

[Iron Maiden]

^^^I'm perfectly alright with that...although I have never called anyone names...

First off, you said I was full of ****, and a couple other things

I shouldn't have said it and I apologize. I could easily edit it but I won't because I want to show that what I said was wrong and I admit it was wrong.

all I called you was a meathead

Thats just in this thread...you have personally attacked me in several different threads...

That qoute was in direct response to a qoute that I had, it was directed at Scott, and I quoted his comments to me..

Man I am sorry...I completely misread that. Again..I apologize.

I never said I'm always 95 percent right, if that was the case I'd be in Vegas..

I believe you did say that...I'm sure a lot of others on this board remember. It was on the old board if I'm not mistaken? You did say it.

I have joked many times about coming in last place..

When? You kept making up excuses every time I called you on it.

I do think the fight was fixed, you don't, fine. I know that I watched a world class wrestler who attacked Bas Ruuten, Rampage Jackson, and trains w/ Kerr. Ricco, and Coleman, but wouldn't attack Sak. I know that Randleman did everything wrong in that armbar. I know that Randleman only needed to stand up. Randleman is either a retard or he threw the fight. You can listen to Coleman give Kevin all the right advice. I think Pride needed Sak to get a big win, and I think it was fixed. That's my opinion and I never stated it as fact..

You actually explained my answer for me. Read the Bold letters. Thats exactly why he wasn't listening to Mark Coleman...and he was fighting Sak...a guy that had beaten him before...he was being entirely too cautious because he didn't want to get beat again...didn't want to let Sak get a sub attempt. Randleman made one key mistake..and Sak took advantage of it...exactly what he does best.

Dude, I don't give a **** about you liking me or not.


Never said you did...nor should you. I sure as hell don't care what you think about me...so why would I expect something different from you? My only point is that your posts would come off a lot better by dropping the "I'm the smartest man in the world" ego trip and just be humble.

I don't want to have these silly "you insult me,I insult you back more" altercations. I'm on this board because its a nice,relaxed,enviroment where I can go and talk MMA without the ridiculous "U R sToopiD" flame wars that happen at other boards. I have enough stress at work all day...I just want to come home and relax. I post on this board during work as well..when I have breaks...its a nice relieve....

So I propose a truce....

Cool?

[dogofwar]

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I never said I'm always 95 percent right, if that was the case I'd be in Vegas..


I believe you did say that...I'm sure a lot of others on this board remember. It was on the old board if I'm not mistaken? You did say it.


Dude you need to find a hobby, how do you remeber stuff like that from the other baord. If I said that I said it in jest, you have to be able to read the context. But even Vegas handicapper do get it right 95 percent of the time..

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I have joked many times about coming in last place..


When? You kept making up excuses every time I called you on it.


Called me on what? When have I ever given you excuses? I have my point of view on that fight, I have never called someone dumb for not seing the fight like I do, but I have been called quite a few names because of how I feel about that fight. I have my opinion, but I really could care less because I hate Randleman.

My only point is that your posts would come off a lot better by dropping the "I'm the smartest man in the world" ego trip and just be humble.


Dude, clearly I have a writing style that doesn't sit right w/ you. But you also feel the U.S. MMA fan base is a disgrace, maybe you should look in the mirror before you start talking about "I'm the smartest man in the world"..

I'll end w/ this, the top of your post says it all, you say, I never call anyone names, and then apologize for calling me full of ****..

We don't need a truce cause we ain't war.

[destro713]

If the Saku/Randleman fight had been a work, then 2 things would have been different about it:

1. It would have been more exciting, without all the awkward and ineffective ground repositioning.

2. Randleman wouldn't have come as close to a knockout as he did. There were a few times when he came about a nosehair away from landing a bomb or a big knee, and if Sakuraba's victory was predetermined, they wouldn't have taken that chance.

You guys are still arguing, but only about 10% of your points are about the issue you're supposed to be discussing. The other 90% is about who said what and when, and that kind of argument is probably better suited for private messages. I mean, feel free to discuss that, but you may as well let the subject of this thread get back to Vanderlei Silva.

[Iron Maiden]

I'll end w/ this, the top of your post says it all, you say, I never call anyone names, and then apologize for calling me full of ****..

I never called you a "name"...name calling is like "asshole",meathead",etc...Saying you're "full of ****" is not name calling...but it was out of line for different reasons and thats why I apologized.

Dude you need to find a hobby, how do you remeber stuff like that from the other baord. If I said that I said it in jest, you have to be able to read the context. But even Vegas handicapper do get it right 95 percent of the time..

I have a good memory. It has nothing to do with finding a "hobby"...I remember what is said and thats it. Are you going to hold this against me or something?

Called me on what? When have I ever given you excuses? I have my point of view on that fight, I have never called someone dumb for not seing the fight like I do, but I have been called quite a few names because of how I feel about that fight. I have my opinion, but I really could care less because I hate Randleman.

I wasn't referring to that...I was referring to the 95% right statement you made. You never did just say "yeah...I was wrong"....and I sit back and have fun with it because I can clearly see your ego will not allow you to do so.

Dude, clearly I have a writing style that doesn't sit right w/ you. But you also feel the U.S. MMA fan base is a disgrace, maybe you should look in the mirror before you start talking about "I'm the smartest man in the world"..

:roll: :roll:

The American fanbase (as I said before...NOT ALL...just most) are a disgrace. I mean countless people have agreed with me. The only ones who don't seem to be you...and maybe Tony Montana...it has nothing to do with me being "Hollier Than Thou"....its just a matter of me seeing the Japaneese fans...the respect and class they show....and how the fighters and organizers respect them so much...and It pains me to know that the American fans are the exact opposite. I want the American fans to be like the Japaneese fans. Respectful of the fighters and the game they play.



We don't need a truce cause we ain't war.

:roll:

Whatever.

[Iron Maiden]

destro:

Sometimes topics stray off the subject matter...it will eventually find its way back to the topic at hand. Just deal with it. Look at your "Dream Post"...talk about getting off topic.

:lol:

[destro713]

Um... my dream thread started about Mirko/Waterman and ended about Mirko/Waterman. And my Bas thread started with gender politics and ended with gender politics.

I'm not mad that they're arguing. I'm just interested in what people have to say about what Silva should do next, because it's a very valid quandary and I'd rather read stuff about that than stuff about who insulted who. No harm intended.

[makavelli]

This has been a great thread to read through.

In my humble opinion, I believe that yes, Wanderlei Silva should fight Quinton Jackson again but it doesn't need to be right now. Silva beat him at the Middleweight grand prix and if he feels that he wants to fight other fighters or pursue other goals, than that's fine. However, PRIDE should institute a sort of rule in which Silva is forced to defend his title against the no. 1 contender after some extended period of time. That way Silva gets to pursue his goals and Rampage/Silva 2 ends up happening sometime.

[Cbear]

Here is my personal proposed schedule for Silva.

Kondo v Silva in next fight instead of Minowa. Then Rampage. During this, Yoshida needs a fight to rehab his image after farting around and gassing out against Royce. With a win under his belt, its time for Silva v Yoshida 2. I didn't put Couture in here because it seems like that isn't looking good. Thus, in order I want Silva to face Konda, Rampage and Yoshida. They need a little time to build up the Rampage fight properly so I put it after Kondo. Plus, Rampage needs to heal that hand.

And Silva should never fight Sakuraba again...period. There is nothing to be gained from it and he has shortened Saks career with each fight.

[dogofwar]

My opinion is this..

Silva can fight Minowa or Kondo, whoever he wants to..but after that, it's one of three things..

1. Rampage

2. Couture

3. HW Gran Prix

Either one of these three things are fine. Cbear is right about Rampage and his hand..

Then who ever the champ is, he needs to fight the number 1 guy and he needs to defend the MW title.

[D241]

dogofwars' first post after mine on page four is a prime example of how a good point should be made, and debated.
very good stuff.
i'm also glad that we are getting back on track.

i agree that since silva did beat quinton, he is entitled to choose not to fight him immediatly, but due to the fact that rampage is the number 1 contender, they didn't fight fresh(either of them), they should face each other sometime soon.

I like the idea makaveli about the champion having to fight the number one contender, say at least once a year.

that was a nice point about sakuraba's opponents and silva's opponents and tito not fighting chuck.good example.

i don't like vanderlei, but i have MAAAAD respect for him as a fighter.He is so well rounded.however, if he chooses not to face the best fighters, i would honestly never be able to say that he is a front runner for one of the greats.

even though i don't like him, if vanderlei beats couture, belfor, tito, rampage and yoshida again, i'll have no doubt that he's the best fighter in the world.

[Cbear]

I like the idea of Silva and Couture but I just don't see it happening. That would really be a coup if they pull it off. And I think Silva is nuts wanting to fight heavyweight because I think he will be proven human and get beat. It also means he won't be defending the belt, so its like another delay and I want those belts defended 3 times a year minimum. A champ should be fighting regularly and defending the belt. These would all be fun fights if they happened, but I want Silva defending that belt. Or whoever wins it to defend it.

[Iron Maiden]

I would LOVE to see Rampage Vs Silva...and I was rooting for Rampage the whole night....but there are just ZERO excuses for him to have. He was fatigued...yeah...well Silva fought a full fight against Yoshida who dealt out more punishment agianst him than Chuck did to Rampage...and Rampages fight ended EARLIER than Silvas fight...and it was BEFORE Silvas fight.

Yet Silva came out..in perfect condition..and beat Rampage. How much cleaner do you want it? What can Silva do to win respect? The guy has beaten the best....he has beaten Sak THREE times...

I would like to see him fight all the people mentioned...but you act like he is a coward...when he clearly already fought some of the toughest opponents in the game...maybe he just wants a break with this fight?

The guy is a great fighter...he has earned everything he has in the MMA world...he continues to beat people as if it is almost expected. What more can he do? He is in a lose/lose situation as far as some are concerned.

[D241]

well, three fights a year is a great idea, but also asking alot of the champion.

i think it's a great idea the more i think about it, because think about it, the champion is guranteed 3 fights a year, and if he wins one, he gets paid more, and if he wins the 2nd, he gets paid even more, and so on and so on.the more he defends, the bigger the paycheck.that would make EVERY fighter want to be the champion, thus making it alot more on the line.

[dogofwar]

3 times a year is fine, that means he only has to fight once every 4 months..

Thats plenty, look at Sak and Nog, they fought all the time. And when they fought it always felt big, even if it wasn't..

Silva beat Sak 3 times because he is bigger, not better. Mike Tyson could beat Oscar De Le Hoya 10 out of 10 times, doesn't mean he is better, just bigger..

I have never heard Rampage complain or offer an excuse. Just fans who know that Pride didn't want the fight on the ground very long and more action. Because that stand up was uncalled for. That stand up really hurt Rampage and it helped Silva. That's just the way it is, if it were the other way around, Silva fans would be screaming that Rampage got a stand up for no dam reason when he was getting pounded on.

[D241]

although i think silva would have won, i think the stand up should have come a minute or minute 1/2 later.
dse has to remember that both fighters did fight a whole fight earlier that evening.

rampage did say that the smile between him and silva was to let silva know that he could take silva's best punch, and that it would be a much different outcome if/when they face when he's fresh.

[Iron Maiden]

That smile remark is just Rampage being Rampage. If he could have REALLY taken his punches...he wouldn't have been on his back at the end of the fight.

[ACIDBATHBELFORT]

Wandy should face Rampages simply because he is the number one contender. The Grand Prix is a seperate entity from a title bout. Although it was a fairly dominant performance, Rampage did have his moments, and there is the controversial stand up. Silva/Kondo should happen down the road.

[crucible]

As exciting as Silva vs Rampage 2 will be if it happens, Kondo/Silva will be even moreso. Any of you who have actually seen Kondo in action will have to agree. Kondo is a warrior who is a great striker and is not afraid to trade with anyone. A fight with him and Silva would be a pure standup war!