Do You Think Barry Bonds is on Roids?

[robbypark]

I think he's juicing up without a doubt. There was that big scandal involving his head trainer and Balco, and Bonds suddenly went from an above-average player who hit 20-40 homeruns a year to all of a sudden a superstar three times the size he used to be who hit 70 homeruns.

So what do you think? Yes, or no?

[Serialkilla]

Yes...

And it is a God Damn shame that he is going to be considered one of the greatest players of all time.

[Iron Maiden]

^^I'd say that about sums up my opinion.

[themunchies]

without doubt. If there is anybody in any competitive sport in the world that is suspect of performance enhancing drugs, it's Barry Bonds.

[BruceLee]

Actually to be honest I'm not a 100% sure.

The BALCO link is incriminating but just looking at Barry, his physique doesn't look really cut and defined. He looks pretty fat to me with the accompanying muscle mass. As you get older, some people get fatter do to there metabolism slowing down and years of unhealthy nutrition. With Bonds that might be the case.

I've never liked Bonds, thought he was an absolute moron who was born with a Silver Spoon in his mouth, a spoiled rich kid from the suburbs. To me Bonds looks fat, with some muscle, sort of like those power lifters, or ESPN Strongmen. I guess they could be taking roids too but, you'd think you'd want to work on your physique, definition and cutness if you we're gonna take roids. Then again Babe Ruth wasn't gonna win any Mr. Olympia's either.

[Shamrocked]

Bonds is a roided-out, racist prick. He's also further proof that baseball is amazingly lame.

[ACIDBATHBELFORT]

I dont doubt Bonds may have used performance enhancing drugs, but I think its sad that he is singled out. McGwire never got thrashed, A-Rod doesnt, and many others. Bonds is simply the best player of his era. Part of the reason is the media doesnt like him. Plus Bonds isnt the friendliest guy out there. Most players are using. Also, what about Randy Johnson who is an older player doing well?

[robbypark]

I dont doubt Bonds may have used performance enhancing drugs, but I think its sad that he is singled out. McGwire never got thrashed, A-Rod doesnt, and many others. Bonds is simply the best player of his era. Part of the reason is the media doesnt like him. Plus Bonds isnt the friendliest guy out there. Most players are using. Also, what about Randy Johnson who is an older player doing well?

Bonds is the most arrogant, self-centered asshole in all of Baseball. He's the only player in the MLB who forces his team to give him his own locker room. And if that's not bad enough you don't seem remember the Sports Illustarted article he wrote. You know, the one where he said that all black people need to band together since every other race in American oppresses against them. The one where he is blatantly racist the entire article.

Randy Johnson is a terrible example of the point you're trying to push across. Randy Johnson is the same size he always was, and the speed of his pitches are slower when they first were. Randy Johnson is doing incredibly well at such an old age because now he has 4 pitches where he used to have 3, and because he's now one of the best control pitchers in all of Baseball.

[Iron Maiden]

I hate the double standard in America today. How black people can just say whatever they want about how bad white people are with no consequences for their racism. If Mark McGwire or some famous white superstar said the exact same thing,except with the white slant,he would be crucified. Look at Rush Limbaugh for just one example.

From my own experience watching these various "civil rights activists" etc,they are not out to seek equality,they are out to have MORE than whites and stick it to us every chance they get. Black people are NOT oppressed anymore IMO,they hold top business spots,top of the sports world,they practically own the NBA,and other very succesful black people are on top of their personal fields.

So whenever I hear someone like Bonds say how "we should stick together so we cannot be opressed anymore"..it just makes me want to vomit. You have EVERYTHING you ****ing steroid taking idiot,but still you want more?

Dusty Baker also made a comment last year about how he preferred having blacks and Dominicans on his team because they can endure the heat more? Or something to that effect. Noone made a fuss over that,he still has a job.

I hate the double standard so much.

[ACIDBATHBELFORT]

Robby, you right, my Randy Johnson example isnt a good one. But the McGwire one is. He wasnt hitting the HR he did for a few years running. Also, Sammy Sosa. Im sure most players are using some sort of enhancement drugs. Look at the size of ALL players compared to 15 yrs ago. Shortstops were always small, now they are big guys. Its not just Bonds. IM, I too dont agree with a lot of Bonds comments. He does seem like an ass. But he is still the best player.

[dunemako]

Robby, you right, my Randy Johnson example isnt a good one. But the McGwire one is. He wasnt hitting the HR he did for a few years running. Also, Sammy Sosa. Im sure most players are using some sort of enhancement drugs. Look at the size of ALL players compared to 15 yrs ago. Shortstops were always small, now they are big guys. Its not just Bonds. IM, I too dont agree with a lot of Bonds comments. He does seem like an ass. But he is still the best player.

Wait a second, are we forgetting about the man who's arguably the best overall player in the world? The man who's been MLB's top story this year and is on the verge of breaking George Sisler's 84-year-old hit record?

Guess what. That guy is 5'9 and 170 lbs. His name is Ichiro.

As for Mark McGwire, he WAS taking a steroid. That's an actual fact. However, the steroid he was taking was called Androi(sp?), a steroid that was legal in pro sports at the time.

As for Sammy Sosa, he's not taking steroids. In fact, last year Sammy got outraged that he was even being accused of roiding, so he went to the MLB and actually REQUESTED to be tested. Selig dismissed the notion.

Shortstops aren't really that big. Take Tejada out, and how many shortstops are big guys?

[dunemako]

so yes, In MY OPINION, Bonds is taking steroids.

[forescore]

If Bonds is not on roids, then Fedor is a crappy fighter.

[kai]

Bonds is on roids, end of thread.

[jadakkiss81]

These are all opinions and not facts, Bonds is Innocent until proven Guilty, and until is proven he is the Best HR hitter in Baseball history next to Hank Aron and Babe Ruth. End of thread....

[themunchies]

These are all opinions and not facts, Bonds is Innocent until proven Guilty, and until is proven he is the Best HR hitter in Baseball history next to Hank Aron and Babe Ruth. End of thread....

no, he's not even in the top 20 best hr hitters in history since half his homeruns are a complete result of his steroid use. Now this thread can end.

[don king]

How anyone can even give a **** about an asshole so big he needs his own dressing room getting paid millions to play a boring sport is beyond my comprehension. The one thing that will always define Bonds in my mind is not the home runs or the steroid use/allegations, but the fact that he demands his own dressing room. The obvious message is that he's too good and too important to mix with the riff raff that makes up the rest of the team. You can debate his records and steroid use all you want but you can never debate this: As a human being, he is a complete piece of ****.

[robbypark]

As a human being, he is a complete piece of ****.

Bravo. I agree

[jadakkiss81]

Wether he is an asshole or not, the thread is about Bonds being on steroids. Bonds tested for Steroids this weekend and we shall soon find out if he is or not.

[robbypark]

Wether he is an asshole or not, the thread is about Bonds being on steroids. Bonds tested for Steroids this weekend and we shall soon find out if he is or not.

Actually, we won't.

Steroid testing results are not announced publicly unless the player tests positive on TWO different occasions.

[ACIDBATHBELFORT]

All these guys are using masking agents. Bonds was always amongst the league best in HR, RBI, avg, walks, runs, OBP, and SLG,

[ACIDBATHBELFORT]

Also, up until a few years ago he was among the best base stealers and a gold glove OF. He might be an ass but that doesnt detract from his greatness.

[robbypark]

Also, up until a few years ago he was among the best base stealers and a gold glove OF. He might be an ass but that doesnt detract from his greatness.

which is just further proof of steroid usage.

[ROMMELKEITEL]

Wether he is an asshole or not, the thread is about Bonds being on steroids. Bonds tested for Steroids this weekend and we shall soon find out if he is or not.



NO QUESTION, HE IS AN ASSHOLE

[jadakkiss81]

Actually, we won't.

Steroid testing results are not announced publicly unless the player tests positive on TWO different occasions.
If Bonds tests Positive he will need to test for a second time and he is positive again they will make it public. Eventually if he is using the juicy we will know.

[robbypark]

If Bonds tests Positive he will need to test for a second time and he is positive again they will make it public. Eventually if he is using the juicy we will know.

actually, that's incorrect. If Bonds tests positive the 1st time, he goes through a steroid rehab process. Then they test him 8 months later again to see if he's stopped using or not and only then are the results published.

So basically, if Bonds IS taking steroids, we likely won't know it unless he comes clean and says it himself.

[IB_BLAZED]

We'll probably never know for sure unless, like Bob said, Bonds comes out and tells us himself.

[robbypark]

We'll probably never know for sure unless, like Bob said, Bonds comes out and tells us himself.

hopefully, Barry's has some honor and will come clean one day.

[don king]

hopefully, Barry's has some honor and will come clean one day.
HA HA! Great one Robby! Sure, the man with his own clubhouse will come clean! ROTFLMAO!

[sars]

Bonds is juicing more than Baroni........and that's bad!

[BruceLee]

Further proof of what an absolute Moron that Bonds is. What kind of retard prevents their guest from having a car.



By Tom Verducci



"I don't want friends like that," Sheffield says of Bonds, who introduced him to BALCO before the 2002 season.
Eric Risberg/AP



Gary Sheffield was testifying before a federal grand jury in San Francisco in 2003 when a prosecutor held up the testoterone-based steroid known as "the cream," supplied by the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative.

"Do you know what this is?" Sheffield was asked.

"Yeah, I do," Sheffield said.

"What did they tell you it was for?"

"My wounds," said Sheffield, who then rolled up his right pants leg to show a surgical scar on the outside of his knee. "It was like a cortisone to heal these wounds. I rubbed it on every night and it helped me."

Sheffield says he was not told that the cream, which he used before and during the 2002 season when he played for the Atlanta Braves, was an illegal steroid. "It was like you could go to a store and find something like that. That's what was in my thoughts," he says. "I put it on my legs and thought nothing of it. I kept it in my locker. The trainer saw my cream."

Sheffield says it shocked him when news broke that "the cream" and "the clear," another balm supplied by BALCO, were designer steroids. "That's why I was mad," he says. "I want everybody to be on an even playing field."

Sheffield was introduced to BALCO by someone he now describes as a former friend: Barry Bonds. Sheffield says he has no knowledge of what, if any, enhancers Bonds may have used, but he did provide SI with a harsh firsthand look at the inner circle of Bonds's trainers. (Bonds, through a spokesperson, declined to address Sheffield's comments, saying only, "I wish nothing but the best for Gary. I want him to win the MVP. He deserves it.")

Sheffield says he and Bonds enjoyed a casual friendship when the Giants leftfielder invited Sheffield to live and train with him in San Francisco for a few weeks before the 2002 season. "He said, 'I got guys here, they can get your urine and blood and prescribe a vitamin specifically for your blood type and what your body needs,' " Sheffield says. "And that's what I did."

Bonds introduced Sheffield to BALCO president Victor Conte as well as to members of Bonds' support team, which included chiropractors, a track coach, a stretching coach and a strength coach, Greg Anderson. He and Conte were two of four men indicted Feb. 12 on charges of conspiring to distribute performance-enhancing drugs. Sheffield says he did not deal directly with anyone from BALCO after his initial meeting with Conte, but that the company gave vitamins to Anderson, and Anderson gave them to Sheffield. (Through his lawyer, Anderson declined to comment on providing Sheffield with any BALCO products.)

"The only thing Greg Anderson does is what Barry tells him to do," Sheffield says. "Barry ran everything. If I'm training and if he sees Greg making me do one curl too many, it's an argument: 'I told you, don't have him do no more than he needs!' So I knew Greg was a puppet. All these guys around [Bonds] were puppets.

"They used to confide in me about how they hated it. I told them, 'You knew what you were getting into. You accept his money. You accept the status when you're around him. But you don't want to deal with the backlash of what comes out of his mouth, and you want to complain to me.'"

Soon after Sheffield arrived in San Francisco, the friendship between him and Bonds began to sour. Bonds insisted that Sheffield stay at his house and not rent a car. He insisted that Sheffield not pay for anything, though Sheffield did bring his personal chef. "[It was], 'It's my way or no way,' " Sheffield says. "I'm not a child. I make $11 million. I can buy what I want."

To thank Bonds for inviting him into his home, Sheffield arranged for the two of them to see a boxing match in Miami on Feb. 2, 2002. "I was going to pay for the plane, the flight, pay for the limo service, the hotel," Sheffield says. "He gets my mail. He looks in my mail and sees he can get better seats, so he gets better seats. He can get a better flight, so he gets a better flight. He can get a better limo service. And he can get a better hotel. So basically my plan, in trying to do something in return, he wound up doing it. And [that sort of behavior] just escalated."

Another time, Sheffield arranged for a limo and tickets for him and Bonds to see the Sacramento Kings host the Los Angeles Lakers. "He complained the whole drive," Sheffield says. "'Man, I could have drove. We would have gotten there a lot faster.' The whole time. And I'm saying to myself, Never again. Never again."

Sheffield says the breaking point occurred one morning when Bonds departed for their morning workout without him, leaving Sheffield to scramble for transportation to the gym. When Sheffield eventually showed up, he found Bonds laughing at him with someone he later learned was a writer for Men's Journal. "He sold me out to the media," Sheffield says.

Though Sheffield says he was under doctor's orders not to run because of his knee, he did so anyway because Bonds and his trainers wanted him to. "Now all of a sudden my knee was hurting," Sheffield says. "He said something to me [about being late]. I did not respond, because if I did respond at that particular moment, I would have knocked him out. That's how I was feeling. [But] I said [to myself], No, I'm just going to walk away, and when I say walk away I mean walk away."

Sheffield flew home to Florida with his chef. The chef told him, "Gary, I want to confess something. [Bonds] made an offer to hire me: He'll get me a car, give me a place to stay and pay off my student loan."

Shortly after they returned, Sheffield says he and his chef parted ways. Sheffield says about a month later Bonds called him to inquire about why the chef was no longer working for Sheffield but made no mention of a related development: Bonds had hired him.

"That's the kind of person I found out I was dealing with," Sheffield says. "To me, I don't want friends like that. I never will have friends like that."

Soon Sheffield received a call from one of Bonds' team. According to Sheffield, Bonds had initially insisted that Sheffield not pay for anything, but now he was told to settle his tab with BALCO and others. Bonds also told Sheffield that BALCO would no longer supply him with vitamins.

"I called BALCO. 'Do I owe you anything?' " Sheffield says. " 'Well, you have a bill ...' I told my wife, 'You write the check.' That's how I got linked to BALCO."

Sheffield hit .307 in 2002 after training with Bonds, but with 25 home runs and 84 RBIs, it was a down year for him. "I had my worst year ever," he says. "I gave him too much credit. When you listen to another person on an everyday basis drill into you numbers, numbers, numbers, and you've never been that way, it doesn't work. I don't play for numbers. When I played to try to get numbers, I didn't get them."

Adds Sheffield, "I never wished anything bad on [Bonds]. I want him to achieve what he wants to achieve, but what I want more is that his life gets right. That he can have compassion for other people. And that's what I want the most."

[robbypark]

Gary Scheffield himself has few friends in the MLB, so it's no wonder that he and Bonds were friends. Bonds and Scheffield are probably the two most hated baseball plauers in the world.

Now, to have an asshole like Scheffield turn on Bonds pretty much means that Barry's Satan.

[ai]

yes he is on steroids.