Ralph Gracie Attacks Man on Crutches....

[robbypark]

At some submission grappling event held by the Gracies, supposedly a guy from the AKA named Bobby accused Ralph of cheating and purposely manipulating the brakcet for the Gracie JJ fighters to have an advantage. This guy Bobby has a broken leg and is moving around on crutches. After a little bit of an argument, Ralph attacks the guy.

you can find the videos here:

www.shownopity.com/videos/BobbyRalphFight/

[Iron Maiden]

Ralph is a chump. A Gracie manipulating cards to make it easier for the Gracie fighters???? NOOOO......

Then he has the nerve to attack a guy on crutches. lol

****ing idiot. Guess he is sill upset he got his lights turned out by Gomi.

[Iron Maiden]

BTW~The video of Bobby telling Ralph he hits like a girl and that if he "ever wants to fight you know where to find me" had me laughing good!

[forescore]

now I'm not stereotyping the Brazilain race in this statement so let me make it clear on that point! But:

other than Renzo, the Gracies are family of assholes. I hate their guts and other than Renzo, I smile every time one of the Gracies gets their ass handed to them.

[just Brian]

Hey now, one man's crutch is another man's club. Go Ralph!




















Not.

[makavelli]

that's despicable.

Pride should force Ralph to face Gomi again just so Gomi can knock him out in 6 seconds again.

[Rootsa]

thats sad!!

of course if fedor had one broken leg i still won't like my chances

guess i'll need fedor to break both legs to stand a chance

[themunchies]

I sincerely hope Ralph burns in hell.

[themunchies]

thats sad!!

of course if fedor had one broken leg i still won't like my chances

guess i'll need fedor to break both legs to stand a chance

He would still have his arms you know :lol:

[WEREWOLF]

Ralph looked good in his fight with the guy on crutches, can't wait to see him back in Pride. ;)

[DaBigHurt]

Coward **** on Ralph's part.

[Jack U. Up]

I thought fighters who train in martial arts are supposed to be disciplined. That's what the main focus of martial arts is. Its why it is called an art. What a little punk. This is not the original idea the Gracie family had when they began in UFC 1. Now they are thugs, back then they were respectable fighters.

[BruceLee]

The new fox TV show: When Gracie's Attack

[Grappling-fan]

So lets see....

Rorian tried to change the rules at Grapplers Quest at the last minute to benefit his son in his match.....

Didn't work and his son got schooled.

Ralph attacks a guy on crutches.....

Tatame reported that Helio Gracie was furious that Vanderlei Silva was awarded his black belt in BJJ... ( gee none of the gracies will fight Vanderlei though)

The Torrance academy lost several good grapplers because of Rorions's bull****, and now the academy is half the student size it once was.


Renzo must have been adopted or something..... Seriously

[ACIDBATHBELFORT]

LOL, thats a good one GF!

[Cbear]

Renzo must have been adopted or something..... Seriously
I was wondering the very same thing. Does anyone else in the family have a sense of humor at all? Ralph and Ryan need to be on Prozac.

[ningai]

Renzo's one time best friend, Craig Kukuk, tried to get Renzo DEPORTED back to Brazil. Now what was THAT all about?

[Grappling-fan]

LOL, thats a good one GF!

Thank you! thank you ! Don't forget to tip your waitresss.

[shagul]

They aren't that close as a family are they? I know that Renzo and Ryan (the good and the bad) are brothers, and that they are cousins of Royce. I think Rickson and Royler are Royce's brothers? As far as I can tell there's a lot of problems within the family, and many Gracies have their own academies (I think Rorion's was the "official" Gracie academy).

I don't know about the younger Gracies, Rodrigo seemed at least a little funny the way he came singing at some Pride event. I haven't seen anything else of him though.

[sars]

Ralph and Ryan are my two least favorite fighters. They're nothing but street thugs that belong in prison and not in an MMA ring.

[dhk1980]

At some submission grappling event held by the Gracies, supposedly a guy from the AKA named Bobby accused Ralph of cheating and purposely manipulating the brakcet for the Gracie JJ fighters to have an advantage. This guy Bobby has a broken leg and is moving around on crutches. After a little bit of an argument, Ralph attacks the guy.

you can find the videos here:

www.shownopity.com/videos/BobbyRalphFight/

hey robby, now look what you've done, you got guys like Iron all worked up. this only gives them more ammunitions to knock on bralizian fighters. :p again, thats not nice of you to start this riot. but in terms your work as a moderator and contributing to a better flow of this forum, you're a genius. :-D

[themunchies]

well seeing as though this thread has almost 1600 views, I'd say it's been successful.

[DT]

robbypark

This is truly disappointing.

You bring to life a bad story that took place almost two years ago, only for what?

You look like an old wrinkled gossiper that have nothing better to do.

Besides, if you want to post denegrating threads about fighters, do it at the off-topic forum.

At the Portal do Vale Tudo Forum you would have been suspended for starting a topic like this.

I´m not a Gracie fan, but this type of thread is lame and not according to the former level of this forum.

[kimura]

I don't see anything lame about this thread, I hadn't heard about this before. There are a few stories I've read about the Gracies in the past, I'll share more later.

[Grappling-fan]

I never knew about it either.....

He's not gossiping he's just sharing info..

It could've been him or anyone.....

[robbypark]

robbypark

This is truly disappointing.

You bring to life a bad story that took place almost two years ago, only for what?

You look like an old wrinkled gossiper that have nothing better to do.

Besides, if you want to post denegrating threads about fighters, do it at the off-topic forum.

At the Portal do Vale Tudo Forum you would have been suspended for starting a topic like this.

I´m not a Gracie fan, but this type of thread is lame and not according to the former level of this forum.

I apologize but I had no clue this story took place almost two years ago. I stumbled on it just yesterday and I thought it would be interesting to post, which it is. If it was Sakuraba who attacked the man on crutches, I would post that as soon as possible as well.

How is this a degrading thread to a fighter? Ralph Gracie attacked a guy on crutches and I posted it. Of course if you weren't so obviously biased you'd comment on how Ralph's actions were completely inappropriate.

Donna, you seem to have become completely pro-brazilian and anti-everything else. You seem to think that it's wrong to post any negative topic that involves a Brazilian fighter.

This topic has nothing to do with the fact that Ralph Gracie is brazilian, instead it has everything to do with how he's an asshole.

[robbypark]

At the Portal do Vale Tudo Forum you would have been suspended for starting a topic like this.


Gee, I wonder why? Could it be because that's a brazilian forum? I'm sure as hell glad I'm not a member at a forum like that.

You see, unlike Portal do Vale Tudo, this forum is for everybody and everybody's opinions when it comes to MMA fighters.

[ACIDBATHBELFORT]

Im sorry Donna, I understand and respect the fact that you are a proud Brazilian, but thats just pathetic what Ralf did. I dont care if it was 5 yrs ago, what he did was uncalled for.

[Jeremy]

Ralph's a chode.

[Grappling-fan]

Ralph's a chode.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[themunchies]

you what would have been funny? If the guy on the crutches had been Gomi. That way Ralph would get his ass beat down in 6 seconds again.

[dhk1980]

what the hell is this world coming to?? two of the most unlikely people to get attacked, just got attacked, a handicap and a ref by Yvel.

[dhk1980]

robbypark

This is truly disappointing.

You bring to life a bad story that took place almost two years ago, only for what?

You look like an old wrinkled gossiper that have nothing better to do.

Besides, if you want to post denegrating threads about fighters, do it at the off-topic forum.

At the Portal do Vale Tudo Forum you would have been suspended for starting a topic like this.

I´m not a Gracie fan, but this type of thread is lame and not according to the former level of this forum.
hey Donna, i dont mean to butt in between you and robby, but this is getting out of hand. I"m sorry that you had to experience all tha negativity concerning the brazilian fighters. and i could understand the fact that you are upset. you know i luv you, right?? :) you better not even contemplate on leaving this forum, or else. :p

[Pipesote]

robbypark

This is truly disappointing.

You bring to life a bad story that took place almost two years ago, only for what?

You look like an old wrinkled gossiper that have nothing better to do.

Besides, if you want to post denegrating threads about fighters, do it at the off-topic forum.

At the Portal do Vale Tudo Forum you would have been suspended for starting a topic like this.

I´m not a Gracie fan, but this type of thread is lame and not according to the former level of this forum.

Couldn't have said it better myself, I don't know why they post this kind of old threads in here, but not something like Kid Yamamoto beating up a dude 20 seconds after the bell, or Egan beating up his wife, etc, it's actually lame and pathetic.

That big guy was talking all sorts of smack to Ralph Gracie. If he was stupid enough to let his mouth run while already injured then that's probably going to happen. It's simple, you don't mouth off a world-class BJJ fighter when you're on crutches. Ralph should have remained calm, but he is too emotional. No wonder why there are a lot of guys that post in here banned or carded in other forums, like themunchies and robbypark, that got carded for fighter bashing, etc and robbypark is a mod in here, lol.

Oh, and another thing, the man insulting Ralph is a MMA fighter with a decent record.

[Grappling-fan]

Couldn't have said it better myself, I don't know why they post this kind of old threads in here, but not something like Kid Yamamoto beating up a dude 20 seconds after the bell, or Egan beating up his wife, etc, it's actually lame and pathetic.

That big guy was talking all sorts of smack to Ralph Gracie. If he was stupid enough to let his mouth run while already injured then that's probably going to happen. It's simple, you don't mouth off a world-class BJJ fighter when you're on crutches. Ralph should have remained calm, but he is too emotional. No wonder why there are a lot of guys that post in here banned or carded in other forums, like themunchies and robbypark, that got carded for fighter bashing, etc and robbypark is a mod in here, lol.


Your stupidity never ceases to amaze me.

[dhk1980]

I apologize but I had no clue this story took place almost two years ago. I stumbled on it just yesterday and I thought it would be interesting to post, which it is. If it was Sakuraba who attacked the man on crutches, I would post that as soon as possible as well.

How is this a degrading thread to a fighter? Ralph Gracie attacked a guy on crutches and I posted it. Of course if you weren't so obviously biased you'd comment on how Ralph's actions were completely inappropriate.

Donna, you seem to have become completely pro-brazilian and anti-everything else. You seem to think that it's wrong to post any negative topic that involves a Brazilian fighter.

This topic has nothing to do with the fact that Ralph Gracie is brazilian, instead it has everything to do with how he's an asshole.

hey Robby, i know that you made an honest mistake in not knowing that this story happened yrs ago. and i also know that your intentions werent to knock on brazilians. but with all the negativities involving bralizian fighters that has circulated lately, couldnt you have picked a better time to post this?? :p Donna does have the right to be upset, you know. and based on the fact that you are a moderator, it wouldnt hurt to be a little sensitive to other's feelings. we should ask ourselves :what would Cbear do?? :p

[Pipesote]

Your stupidity never ceases to amaze me.

Keep up the good work with the hating dude.















PS: Ask me if I give a ****.

[dhk1980]

Your stupidity never ceases to amaze me.

Hey GF, what are toy talking about?? Pipe, only had 7 posts up until that one. are you telling me his previous 6 were also thst dumb?? nah... that cant be :p

[PREDATOR]

What would CBEAR Do? lol

What wouldnt he do. THat CBEAR guy is one crazy dude :)

[Iron Maiden]

Typical Donna really...noone should be surprised. Her Brazilan bias has been well documented.

I think its a damn good topic,and one I had no idea had happened. It looks to me most everyone else didn't know about it either. The problem with Donna is that she is so damn stuck up she can't relax and have fun, she has the stick too far up her ass.

[robbypark]

hey Robby, i know that you made an honest mistake in not knowing that this story happened yrs ago. and i also know that your intentions werent to knock on brazilians. but with all the negativities involving bralizian fighters that has circulated lately, couldnt you have picked a better time to post this?? :p Donna does have the right to be upset, you know. and based on the fact that you are a moderator, it wouldnt hurt to be a little sensitive to other's feelings. we should ask ourselves :what would Cbear do?? :p

you did notice how I also posted a topic about Gilbert Yvel beating up a ref right? Gilbert Yvel isn't brazilian.

Donna has the right to be upset, but she shouldn't be. This is an appropriate MMA news story for this forum and there's no reason for anybody to be upset about it.

[robbypark]

Couldn't have said it better myself, I don't know why they post this kind of old threads in here, but not something like Kid Yamamoto beating up a dude 20 seconds after the bell, or Egan beating up his wife, etc, it's actually lame and pathetic.

That big guy was talking all sorts of smack to Ralph Gracie. If he was stupid enough to let his mouth run while already injured then that's probably going to happen. It's simple, you don't mouth off a world-class BJJ fighter when you're on crutches. Ralph should have remained calm, but he is too emotional. No wonder why there are a lot of guys that post in here banned or carded in other forums, like themunchies and robbypark, that got carded for fighter bashing, etc and robbypark is a mod in here, lol.

Oh, and another thing, the man insulting Ralph is a MMA fighter with a decent record.

Just so you know, since you're obviously new, topics concerning Egan with his domestic abuse as well as Kid Yamamoto have been posted on this forum already, therefore completely refuting your lame attempt at an argument.

[Pipesote]

you did notice how I also posted a topic about Gilbert Yvel beating up a ref right? Gilbert Yvel isn't brazilian.

Hmmm, but that happened yesterday, you are posting this like if it was breaking news, when it was like 2 years ago, why?

[robbypark]

Hmmm, but that happened yesterday, you are posting this like if it was breaking news, when it was like 2 years ago, why?

I already explained it but I guess I'll explain it yet again. I NEVER KNEW it took place 2 years ago. I stumbles on this yesterday on Ironlife and posted it because nobody else on this forum knew it took place either.

Why the hell should it matter to you that I posted this topic? Like I said, it has nothing to do with the fact that Ralph is a brazilian, but it does have to do with the fact that Ralph is an asshole.

[forescore]

Pipesote, Donna, you guys have some serious problems. There is absolutely 0% wrong with this thread. It's quite an interesting topic unlike some of the other repetitive topics that have been posted before.

It doesn't matter when it happened because nobody knew about it. Ralph attacked a guy on crutches and now we know about it. That's all. It's not like he posted "brazilian guy attacks man on crutches!"

So you guys should basically take your over-nationalistic sensitivity and shove it.

[Pipesote]

I already explained it but I guess I'll explain it yet again. I NEVER KNEW it took place 2 years ago. I stumbles on this yesterday on Ironlife and posted it because nobody else on this forum knew it took place either.

Why the hell should it matter to you that I posted this topic? Like I said, it has nothing to do with the fact that Ralph is a brazilian, but it does have to do with the fact that Ralph is an asshole.


Well, you are a well known Gracie hater on sherdog (mattbae if I'm not mistaken) and then posted this old topic about a bad thing Ralph did 2 years ago, you try to keep it cool here because you're a mod etc, I could be wrong though about this thread and that you didn't know the date, but you are a Gracie hater, I don't care anyways, to each his own.

[forescore]

Well, you are a well known Gracie hater on sherdog (mattbae if I'm not mistaken) and then posted this old topic about a bad thing Ralph did 2 years ago, you try to keep it cool here because you're a mod etc, I could be wrong though about this thread and that you didn't know the date, but you are a Gracie hater, I don't care anyways, to each his own.

and you're obviously a ****tard who hates all non-brazilian fighters.

[Pipesote]

and you're obviously a ****tard who hates all non-brazilian fighters.

Please, can you show me where did I made derogatory comments about any fighter? That's right, you can't, as a matter of fact, most of my favorite fighters aren't brazilians, Fedor, Sak, Couture, Igor V, Mir, etc. Why should I hate non-brazilian fighters, when I'm from the US? Move on dude, you sound like you have the IQ of a retarded 6 years old kid (at most).

[themunchies]

now some of you guys are just sounding like little children.

It's been said already, but once again, there's nothing wrong with this topic. It's a great piece of news that nobody had any clue about.

That should be the end of this little mini-argument here. Nothing in this thread is anti-brazilian and nobody in this thread has bashed the brazilian race.

Ralph Gracie is a tard. He's not a tard because he's brazilian, he's a tard because he's a disrespectful coward.

Some of you obviously pro-brazilian people need to simmir it down a notch and just relax.

[Shamrocked]

So lets see....

Rorian tried to change the rules at Grapplers Quest at the last minute to benefit his son in his match.....

Didn't work and his son got schooled.

Ralph attacks a guy on crutches.....

Tatame reported that Helio Gracie was furious that Vanderlei Silva was awarded his black belt in BJJ... ( gee none of the gracies will fight Vanderlei though)

The Torrance academy lost several good grapplers because of Rorions's bull****, and now the academy is half the student size it once was.


Renzo must have been adopted or something..... SeriouslyYou forgot to mention that Rorion also hand picked Royce's opponents in the early UFCs.

This **** is pathetic, but what do we expect from a Gracie?

[themunchies]

You forgot to mention that Rorion also hand picked Royce's opponents in the early UFCs.

This **** is pathetic, but what do we expect from a Gracie?

You see Donna and Pipesote, how he said "Gracie" and not "Brazilian?"

Just because there is a negative attitude towards the Gracies(As there should be) doesn't mean that there is a negative attitude towards all brazilians.

[Cbear]

Random thoughts......

I had never heard this story before so whether it happened yesterday or 2 years ago didn't effect me. In my narrow minded world you don't fight crippled/hurt people, women, referees, dogs & cats and you don't back talk your mom. It just isn't done, no matter what the provocation is. Ralph is wrong to fight a cripple; he should have challenged him to a money fight when he got off the crutches. Yvel shouldn't attack a ref. Inoue should leave the women alone. No matter who the fighters are or where they are from, if they act an idiot they are fair game. If Randy Couture and Sakuraba get stupid then they will be fair game also.

I don't surf the forums of Sherdog, Fightsport or the like. If you are an absolute idiot there banned for life, but are good here, then all I know is how you act here. Sometimes I think folks transfer attitudes and prejudices from other forums onto this one.

Relax.....breathe deeply.....close your eyes.....all is at peace........ :)

[Grappling-fan]

You forgot to mention that Rorion also hand picked Royce's opponents in the early UFCs.

This **** is pathetic, but what do we expect from a Gracie?

Good point bro........

[DT]

Lame excuses, robby.

Your solely purpose is to denigrate a fighter and a family name and that´s not what this forum is about.

This forum is about MMA. Keep the level high. Gossips are not good to the sport.

At least move this thread to the off-topic forum.

[ACIDBATHBELFORT]

Well said themunchies. I totally agree with what Cbear said. Donna, Im sorry, but there is no defending Ralf. I dont see why you would try.

[DaBigHurt]

Your stupidity never ceases to amaze me.

The guy has 11 posts. How is that possible?

[guyincognito]

This forum is about MMA. Keep the level high. Gossips are not good to the sport.
How is this gossip? There's video tape evidence of it actually happening. If there was no video and one party said it happened and the other didn't then it would be gossip. Ralph is such a punk. I'm assuming he never ended up fighting the guy after he healed up?

[DaBigHurt]

And for the record... I dont think Randy Couture or Saku would EVER do something like that. I am very ill-tempered, but the fact that a guy is on crutches should completely devoid you of any adrenaline that would be flowing through your body for the jump-start to attack someone.

And I have to agree with Robby, Donna has been very Bias lately, its always been a little favoritism, in the beggining of this forum, but now its plain Bias.,,.

[Brazuca]

Cbear message sums it up, there is no need to go further but it feels like some of the posters are about to "Ralph Gracie" at each other.

[dhk1980]

Typical Donna really...noone should be surprised. Her Brazilan bias has been well documented.

I think its a damn good topic,and one I had no idea had happened. It looks to me most everyone else didn't know about it either. The problem with Donna is that she is so damn stuck up she can't relax and have fun, she has the stick too far up her ass.

Now Iron, was that totally necessary??? based on the fact that you're notorious for not liking MOST brazilian fighters, i really dont think that it was very fair and wise of you to say the thigns you just did. I personally am not a sensitive person when dealing with racial issues (and im asian), even though i've experienced some racism. but you have to understand that some people are very sensitive to it, and we should respect it. IRon, what's gotten into you?? you've been acting like a total jerk lately. is it that time of the month for you?? :p

[ACIDBATHBELFORT]

Dhk, I agree racial topics are a bit of a touchy subject. IM did not at all attack Donna in a racial manner. He simply says she is very biased towards her home country of Brazil. Which I respect her patriotism, but I dont see, how these actions can be justified. No one is attacking her race. Just a certain group of fighters who do have an attitude. I for one have been here about a year or so, and in that time Ive read a lot of post from IM and Donna. Both are great posters here. IM has alwasy been respectful and I dont think he has racial intentions at all. No disrespect towards Donna, but in the past she has made some posts that are somewhat attacking the US. There is a history to this feud. Personally, I respect both of them. I dont see anything wrong with what ANYONE has said here.

[dhk1980]

Dhk, I agree racial topics are a bit of a touchy subject. IM did not at all attack Donna in a racial manner. He simply says she is very biased towards her home country of Brazil. Which I respect her patriotism, but I dont see, how these actions can be justified. No one is attacking her race. Just a certain group of fighters who do have an attitude. I for one have been here about a year or so, and in that time Ive read a lot of post from IM and Donna. Both are great posters here. IM has alwasy been respectful and I dont think he has racial intentions at all. No disrespect towards Donna, but in the past she has made some posts that are somewhat attacking the US. There is a history to this feud. Personally, I respect both of them. I dont see anything wrong with what ANYONE has said here.

well put acid, since you've been here longer than me and is more aware of the history. i'll take your words for it.

[DT]

Alright. Keep defending robby - and keep the forum level low.

When a moderator likes to start threads to bash fighters or families, all a person can expect is that the level is going down. To find that old video he must have googled the net - so his purpose is to denigrate, to vent his personal anger against the Gracies.

I`m not doing this because I am defending Ralph. There is no excuse for what he has done.

I´m complaining because robby only wants attention against the Gracies. I doubt Cbear would ever start a thread like this. This forum has been polite most of the time, but lately things are going downhill.

I also think that the thread about Yvel should be at the off-topic forum.

I am trying to defend the quality of this forum, but if you think otherwise, that you prefer that it becomes like other unmoderated forums, that is your choice.

[ACIDBATHBELFORT]

Come on Donna. This is a MMA fighting forum, they are fighters. I think they belong here. I think we have alwasy had these type of threads. Its just we now have more posters so that magnafies everything. This is a great forum. People do attack some fighters more than others. I think people attack Tito and Phil more than they should. I admit Im harder on some fighters than maybe I should be. But those opinions are why we have great conversations here. For the most part everyone is very respectful. Recently, no one is calling each other retards or anything for differing opinions. So I for one dont think this forum is degrading.

[dhk1980]

Alright. Keep defending robby - and keep the forum level low.

When a moderator likes to start threads to bash fighters or families, all a person can expect is that the level is going down. To find that old video he must have googled the net - so his purpose is to denigrate, to vent his personal anger against the Gracies.

I`m not doing this because I am defending Ralph. There is no excuse for what he has done.

I´m complaining because robby only wants attention against the Gracies. I doubt Cbear would ever start a thread like this. This forum has been polite most of the time, but lately things are going downhill.

I also think that the thread about Yvel should be at the off-topic forum.

I am trying to defend the quality of this forum, but if you think otherwise, that you prefer that it becomes like other unmoderated forums, that is your choice.

Hey Donna, let start off by saying that if there is anyone that has defended Brazilian fighters, in particular Nog, its me. I've been killed by guys like Kimura for being a huge Rickson gracie fan. And I've been trying to stand up for you, even though you dont need me to or asked me to. having said that, with the way, things have been heating up concerning the issue of race; specifically the brazilian fighters, i think the timing of Robby's post of Ralph's incident was not right. BUT, i dont think he did it to instigate. for you to say that Robby's intentions were "to denigrate, to vent his personal anger against the Gracies" is not fair. i dont know Robby's motive and you dont know Robby's motive. ALSO, i dont think that these topic concerning Yvel and Ralph should be kept in the off-topic forum. The guys were MMA fighters, so it should be ok to talk about them in this (mma) forum. one more thing, you know i luv you, right Donna?? I still havent got one back from you. hee hee :p

[themunchies]

Donna, Iron Maiden was right, you need get that stick out of your ass.

Why the hell should the topics of Ralph and Yvel be in an Off-Topic forum? With what both fighters did, they deserve to be bashed. They are both big name MMA fighters and we as MMA fans have a right to know exactly what's going on with them.

[makavelli]

Alright. Keep defending robby - and keep the forum level low.

When a moderator likes to start threads to bash fighters or families, all a person can expect is that the level is going down. To find that old video he must have googled the net - so his purpose is to denigrate, to vent his personal anger against the Gracies.

I`m not doing this because I am defending Ralph. There is no excuse for what he has done.

I´m complaining because robby only wants attention against the Gracies. I doubt Cbear would ever start a thread like this. This forum has been polite most of the time, but lately things are going downhill.

I also think that the thread about Yvel should be at the off-topic forum.

I am trying to defend the quality of this forum, but if you think otherwise, that you prefer that it becomes like other unmoderated forums, that is your choice.

OH MY GOD! That is such a ridiculously stupid post, I'm not even going to dignify it with a proper response.

[DaBigHurt]

sticks up asses is uncalled for,

[themunchies]

well when you actually literally seem to have a stick up there, I think it's quite appropriate.

[Pipesote]

Alright. Keep defending robby - and keep the forum level low.

When a moderator likes to start threads to bash fighters or families, all a person can expect is that the level is going down. To find that old video he must have googled the net - so his purpose is to denigrate, to vent his personal anger against the Gracies.

I`m not doing this because I am defending Ralph. There is no excuse for what he has done.

I´m complaining because robby only wants attention against the Gracies. I doubt Cbear would ever start a thread like this. This forum has been polite most of the time, but lately things are going downhill.

I also think that the thread about Yvel should be at the off-topic forum.

I am trying to defend the quality of this forum, but if you think otherwise, that you prefer that it becomes like other unmoderated forums, that is your choice.

So true... This idiot robby "knows" the story behind the vid, even the name of the fighter that was talking smack to Ralph, yet he doesn't know the date? Yeah right... No wonder why he didn't reply after I mentioned he is one of the biggest idiots and gracie haters on sherdog (mattbae), even in here. This forum isn't worth it, except for a few good posters, and the guy that does interviews.

[themunchies]

It's simple then, pipesote, go away. Nobody at this forum cares about you in the least.

[dunemako]

I just read the whole thread and here are my impressions.

Pipesote, you're a dumbass. Perhaps you and Donna should go to a catholic convention together, since you guys obviously can't handle an MMA forum. Do you guy realize that you two are the only ones who think the way you two? There are at least 25+ other people that think you guys are completely wrong and that includes me.

I heard somebody say something about sensitivity to race. Why the **** should there be sensitivity to race when this topic has nothing to do with race? The only reason Donna and Pipesote are accusing this of being racist is because they are making it so!!

In final, I'm not as active as some, but I can utter these words: Both of you need to shut the **** up and move along.

[makavelli]

I'm a proud Gracie hater right here, because other than Renzo, their whole family deserves to be hated.

And as for the two stooges, if you don't like this topic and you don't enjoy discussion a wide array of topics which make this forum so good, then you two can hold hands and go post exclusively somewhere else.

[ACIDBATHBELFORT]

I wonder who might be the good posters. At least Tony gets props. Anyways, like themunchies said, these guys deserve to be bashed. You too do need to chill, everyone respects and likes Renzo, so that right there says its nothing racial. Why do people alwasy have to put race in the picture? Pipesote, you talk about Robby istigating all this Gracie hating, yet you are istigating Robby,"the idiot," hating.

[ACIDBATHBELFORT]

So true... This idiot robby "knows" the story behind the vid, even the name of the fighter that was talking smack to Ralph, yet he doesn't know the date? Yeah right... No wonder why he didn't reply after I mentioned he is one of the biggest idiots and gracie haters on sherdog (mattbae), even in here. This forum isn't worth it, except for a few good posters, and the guy that does interviews.

[themunchies]

^^^^^ huh? Was that above post an accidental quote or something from pipesote?

[ACIDBATHBELFORT]

LOL, dont even ask. I messed up, I wanted to quote him before my previous statement. I cant even explain how it all happened. Give it to me, I deserve it, that wasnt too swift.

[Grappling-fan]

And as for the two stooges, if you don't like this topic and you don't enjoy discussion a wide array of topics which make this forum so good, then you two can hold hands and go post exclusively somewhere else.


Holla!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[shagul]

I'm a proud Gracie hater right here, because other than Renzo, their whole family deserves to be hated.


Oh, come on. The Gracie family is deserving of your eternal hatred? I kind of doubt that you know who all the family members are, because it seems like there are quite a lot of them. What did Rodrigo do to deserve your hatred by the way, he seemed like a fun guy to me?

[DT]

The only reason Donna and Pipesote are accusing this of being racist is because they are making it so!!
Please post the link, date and time where I write this thread is racist. :rolleyes:

[sars]

can we just quit making a fuss over this thread for nothing? This argument shouldn't even be taking place.

This thread is fine and it should stay here. The End. No more arguments.

[robbypark]

I find it funny how this thread has so seemingly gotten out of hand.

I could offer a rebuttle to the posts by Donna and Pipesote, but it would really be no different than the numerous replies made by other members of this great forum already.

I will say one thing though. The opinions of two inappropriately biased members(only in this case) will not change how this forum is run, nor will it change the diversity of the forum, or of the guidelines of posting on this forum. This topic is absolutely fine being here, and the fact that it's gotten over 8 pages of posts as well as thousands of views, just makes me happier beacause it means it has succesfully generated more popularity and traffic towards the forum.

[Cbear]

Time to look at fans highly polarized views toward the Gracie family from a different perspective. There is MONEY in being the "heel" 1st family of MMA. Fans pay to see them win or get beaten and genuinely get excited about it, even when its a Gracie family member that isn't well known. The Gracies are controversial, get people talking, keep their names current in MMA and all of that goes toward making money. From a marketing perspective, the more controversy they can generate, the better. C'mon folks, in pro wrestling they pray for angles like this to get fans talking. Rickson has the Japanese willing to pay over a million to fight. Royce is rumoured to be offered a million to face Akebono. I don't think the Gracies mind being controversial at all. Its money in the bank.

[DT]

I find it funny how this thread has so seemingly gotten out of hand.

I could offer a rebuttle to the posts by Donna and Pipesote, but it would really be no different than the numerous replies made by other members of this great forum already.

I will say one thing though. The opinions of two inappropriately biased members(only in this case) will not change how this forum is run, nor will it change the diversity of the forum, or of the guidelines of posting on this forum. This topic is absolutely fine being here, and the fact that it's gotten over 8 pages of posts as well as thousands of views, just makes me happier beacause it means it has succesfully generated more popularity and traffic towards the forum.
So it is all about money, uh?

Right.

From now on I`m going to put a lot of people on my ignore list.

[kai]

girl you just don't stop do you? Sheesh.

[Brazuca]

I find it funny how this thread has so seemingly gotten out of hand.

I could offer a rebuttle to the posts by Donna and Pipesote, but it would really be no different than the numerous replies made by other members of this great forum already.

I will say one thing though. The opinions of two inappropriately biased members(only in this case) will not change how this forum is run, nor will it change the diversity of the forum, or of the guidelines of posting on this forum. This topic is absolutely fine being here, and the fact that it's gotten over 8 pages of posts as well as thousands of views, just makes me happier beacause it means it has succesfully generated more popularity and traffic towards the forum.
I've been away from this forum for a long while just to come back and read this topic. You, Robby, sound completely different from the guy I knew a months back. Geez, by reading your recent posts I'd hardly say you're a historic MMAFighting user!!!
This forum was NEVER about bashing other useres but this thread seems to belong to a lesser version of Sherdog...
I hope it doesn't become the trend here.

[themunchies]

this place definitely ain't becoming like Sherdog. The fact is that a couple people want to make this forum a racially segregated place.

I still have no clue as to why this topic is controversial at all. Ralph attacked a guy on crutches and he's an asshole because of it. What else is there to be said? And nobody was bashing any other poster until Donna and Pipesote started all this **** by stating they had a problem with this thread, which they shouldn't.

Everybody should just go read Cbear's last two posts. He sums it all up pretty good.

[Pipesote]

Time to look at fans highly polarized views toward the Gracie family from a different perspective. There is MONEY in being the "heel" 1st family of MMA. Fans pay to see them win or get beaten and genuinely get excited about it, even when its a Gracie family member that isn't well known. The Gracies are controversial, get people talking, keep their names current in MMA and all of that goes toward making money. From a marketing perspective, the more controversy they can generate, the better. C'mon folks, in pro wrestling they pray for angles like this to get fans talking. Rickson has the Japanese willing to pay over a million to fight. Royce is rumoured to be offered a million to face Akebono. I don't think the Gracies mind being controversial at all. Its money in the bank.

You do have a good point, that's what they want, but there is no reason to go overboard with the insults or to bash their entire family just for a few incidents by a few individuals or to encourage others to do so. Comments like "what else can you expect from a Gracie" or "I'm a Gracie hater" are just stupid an unnecesary that would piss of anybody off, also, they don't need the bad publicity to make their name sell they have already acomplished a lot, etc, the haters are just a few idiots, the people that do matter and buy tickets do that because they know what the Gracies have acomplished, etc, and not because some stupid old incident.

robbypark "two inappropriately biased members" Look who is talking, you are the biggest nuthugger ever and you're calling people biased, lol, maybe its true, but you are the last person that can complain about that. Also this "it's gotten over 8 pages of posts as well as thousands of views" its just because this board has the highest number of Gracie haters P4P of all boards, and because it was posted in other forums. I'm done already.

[forescore]

I for one, am incredibly glad that robby posted this topic.

I'm sure most people will agree that robby is one of the best contributors on this forum for providing us with news and interesting information. This falls specifically into that category. None of us knew this happened and if anything we're glad that we do know now.

If anything, robby gets even more respect from me for always being on top of things and giving us the best news and information possible.

[Brazuca]

this place definitely ain't becoming like Sherdog. The fact is that a couple people want to make this forum a racially segregated place.

I still have no clue as to why this topic is controversial at all. Ralph attacked a guy on crutches and he's an asshole because of it. What else is there to be said? And nobody was bashing any other poster until Donna and Pipesote started all this **** by stating they had a problem with this thread, which they shouldn't.

Everybody should just go read Cbear's last two posts. He sums it all up pretty good.
I think we should all reread the thread... ;)
My two cents anyway.

[claymore]

who would have thought that one member could have such controversy involving him other than dogofwar or ningai?

I think this controversy is just showing that robby is doing his job as a moderator perfectly and to a tee. No offense to the other mods, but robby's the best one you've got here and he's been a huge part of the growth of this message board.

Just my 0.02 cents is that I pretty much completely disagree with Pipesote and Donna. It doesn't matter who or where the person is from, if somebody hits somebody who's on crutches, it's an act of cowardess anyway you look at it. This isn't a matter of who Ralph is or where he's from, it's a matter of what he did.

[Brazuca]

who would have thought that one member could have such controversy involving him other than dogofwar or ningai?

I think this controversy is just showing that robby is doing his job as a moderator perfectly and to a tee. No offense to the other mods, but robby's the best one you've got here and he's been a huge part of the growth of this message board.

Just my 0.02 cents is that I pretty much completely disagree with Pipesote and Donna. It doesn't matter who or where the person is from, if somebody hits somebody who's on crutches, it's an act of cowardess anyway you look at it. This isn't a matter of who Ralph is or where he's from, it's a matter of what he did.
I think there are two things that are worth mentioning about this post and Robby so that my point is made clear.
1. I appreciate this topic. I don't see why this information shouldn't be brought to an MMA forum, also anyone on their right minds knows that Ralph didn't do the right thing, period.
2. What I don't appreciate is the moderator acting as yet another user and bashing posters or their arguments. The moderator, as an MMA fighter when provoked by anyone, must be above and beyond this kind of behaviour and should never, ever, react as a common user...
I've run out of cents, sorry. ;)

[claymore]

robby is first and foremost an mma fan.

and also when did he ever insult a user? He never once in this thread actually bashed anybody. He said they were inappropriately biased in this case in which they are.

You make it seem as though the moderator of a website can't be an MMA fan either, which would really suck. I'm very glad that this forum's moderators aren't like that.

[Brazuca]

robby is first and foremost an mma fan.

and also when did he ever insult a user? He never once in this thread actually bashed anybody. He said they were inappropriately biased in this case in which they are.

You make it seem as though the moderator of a website can't be an MMA fan either, which would really suck. I'm very glad that this forum's moderators aren't like that.
No, I'm not saying that a moderator can't be an MMA fan, on the contrary. A moderator of an MMA forum MUST be an MMA fan otherwise he has no place as a moderator but the moderator has to be a role model as well.
What if a moderator says your argument is lame ? Is that proper ? Not on my books but that's just the way I am.

Just read (or reread) the posts and you will see.

[Cbear]

There is one true thing about being a moderator--some think you aren't doing enough and others think you are too strict. :)

[kai]

you know Brazuca I can't help but think you're biased since you are a Brazilian poster.

As for moderators, they're just regular posters as well. You seem to want to place them on a pedestal. Mods are just regular posters that have slightly more access to the forums. They all have their own opinions as well. If you actually paid attention to the forums in the past months, you'll see that Cbear and robby are essentially the exact same in their posting manneurisms.

[forescore]

a role model? What kind of sensitive sentimental bull**** is that? We are all biased, but Brazuca you're bias has been very evident in the past and seeing as though you're brazilian it's no different in this case.

Let it all be known that brazuca thought that Nog legitimately beat Ricco.

[Iron Maiden]

Wow...I check back just now and sort through 3 pages since my last post! Wow..this topic has boomed. I just want to clear some things from my side real fast and offer up an opinion.

First of all,I have NEVER been racist towards anyone on this forum. I am not racist. I hate people because of the people,not because of their nationality or their skin tone. I came into this forum on a completely neutral level with everyone. Since then,there have been people that are really cool,that I could easily chat with in real life,then there are people I couldn't stand to be around just because at any moment I might haul off and hit one of them.

I judge people just like I judge fighters,on their actions. My Brazilian fighter hatred is well documented,its true,and I will tell you that anytime you ask. I've never denied that. What I do get upset over is when people say I hate a fighter just "because he is Brazilian"...thats such a crock. Fact is,I've stated I really like Renzo Gracie (Brazilian) and Mario Sperry (Brazilian) because I like their attitudes and the respect they show to other fighters. When Renzo lost to Sak,he said the better man won,and shook hands with Sak. Any fighter that does that,I like,PERIOD. Black,white,Asian,Russian,Brazilian,I don't care.

Donna just can't take ANYTHING negative said towards anything related to Brazil. If this as a topic about Mark Coleman punching some guy on crutches she wouldn't have said a mother****ing thing,but since its a Brazilian being slammed,its offensive to her.

Don't back down on this Robby,you did NOTHING wrong,this topic is totally legit. If she wants to leave this forum over this,GOOD,anyone that can't take any sort of criticism over fighters of their nationality shouldn't be here anyway.

To DHK-

I am not being a jerk at all,and you keep accusing me of being one in every thread is starting to piss me off a bit,so cool it already. Thank you.

..and as for Ralph again...just want to say seeing Gomi knock him out like he did is even sweeter now.

[Iron Maiden]

BTW~Brazuca is a good guy,he has love for his Country (which is totally understandable) but he can fun with it. I used to tease him about Brazil being a hellhole and he would do the same to me about America,all of it was in fun. Don't be too hard on him,he is totally different than Donna.

[Brazuca]

you know Brazuca I can't help but think you're biased since you are a Brazilian poster.

As for moderators, they're just regular posters as well. You seem to want to place them on a pedestal. Mods are just regular posters that have slightly more access to the forums. They all have their own opinions as well. If you actually paid attention to the forums in the past months, you'll see that Cbear and robby are essentially the exact same in their posting manneurisms.
You're entitled to feel that way it but you're very far away from the truth. On the other hand think you're trying to be ironic but came out the wrong way.

As for moderators:
1. I've always admired Cbear, he is many stops ahead of any other moderator I've ever seen.
2. I don't want to see moderators at a pedestal, this is just an exaggeration of my point. I'll repeat it so it is clearly stated: Moderators are role models, they define the tone of the forums they moderate.
Kudos

[Brazuca]

a role model? What kind of sensitive sentimental bull**** is that? We are all biased, but Brazuca you're bias has been very evident in the past and seeing as though you're brazilian it's no different in this case.

Let it all be known that brazuca thought that Nog legitimately beat Ricco.

1. I think Nog legitimately beat Ricco, I've said that in the past and will stand on my points. No need to open a new thread, we can go back to the old ones and discuss over there.
2. Moderators are role models for the forums they moderate, this is self evident not a "sensitive sentimental bull****" as you say.
3. If dismissing someone argument based on his/her nationality is the best you have against that particular argument then there is no need for further discussion.
4. I love arguing with Iron Maiden! :) Smart people is the treasure of this forum. :)

[robbypark]

So by posting this thread, Brazuca, you are claiming that I'm not being a good role model for the posters? I think it's pretty much the contrary opinion.

This is a legitimate MMA news story and I posted it. If I had refused to post it out of some unnecessary sensitivity towards a particular nationality, it would not only give myself a bad name but it would reflect negatively on the forum as well. Remember that this is a global forum in which all posters get a right to their opiniong and have a right to say what they please, as long as it does not overextend certain boundaries. This isn't an individual forum based out of Brazil, such as an example that Donna presented earlier.

This thread has nothing to do with anybody's thoughts and feelings towards brazilians and it certainly has nothing to do with me being a role model. If there is a fighter I dislike and a fighter who's actions I dislike, I'll say it, whether I'm a moderator or not. That, in turn, in my opinion makes me a better moderator in the long run anyway.

[robbypark]

oh, and let me just emphasize one thing. I love this thread!

Controversial topics that inspire great in-depth topics such as this is what makes this forum so much better than any others.

[Brazuca]

So by posting this thread, Brazuca, you are claiming that I'm not being a good role model for the posters? I think it's pretty much the contrary opinion.

This is a legitimate MMA news story and I posted it. If I had refused to post it out of some unnecessary sensitivity towards a particular nationality, it would not only give myself a bad name but it would reflect negatively on the forum as well. Remember that this is a global forum in which all posters get a right to their opiniong and have a right to say what they please, as long as it does not overextend certain boundaries. This isn't an individual forum based out of Brazil, such as an example that Donna presented earlier.

This thread has nothing to do with anybody's thoughts and feelings towards brazilians and it certainly has nothing to do with me being a role model. If there is a fighter I dislike and a fighter who's actions I dislike, I'll say it, whether I'm a moderator or not. That, in turn, in my opinion makes me a better moderator in the long run anyway.
That's not what I'm claiming, you'd know you that if you've read my postings. ;)

[misawa99]

You forgot to mention that Rorion also hand picked Royce's opponents in the early UFCs.

This **** is pathetic, but what do we expect from a Gracie?

Well, as a fellow Shamrock fan it must be mentioned that one of those "hand picked" opponents was Mr. Shamrock himself...

[misawa99]

Time to look at fans highly polarized views toward the Gracie family from a different perspective.

Another perspective - the Gracies were responsible for my getting involved in martial arts. As primitive as the early UFC's were, at least they seemed to be making an attempt at showing different styles facing off. And it was quite an eye opener to see how effective grappling and submission was. I had previously done some boxing but the excitement of seeing various martial arts styles taken out of the dojos (removed from all the rituals and fantastic/impossible claims) and put into competition captivated me. And seeing this seemingly unassuming, almost delicate looking guy tap out monsters like Shamrock and Severn was amazing. Of course this is all ancient history and mma has evolved tremendously but I'll always have a soft spot for some of the Gracies because of it.

[dunemako]

misawa that's the reason why I'll always consider Royce a legend; however, outside of the ring Royce can be quite a disrespectul runt. Just watch his own PPV for an example of that.

and for the rest of them other than Renzo, including Ralph, Ryan, and even Helio, they're quite disrespectful to say the least.

[dunemako]

Well, as a fellow Shamrock fan it must be mentioned that one of those "hand picked" opponents was Mr. Shamrock himself...

yeah, the same Shamrock that he refused to fight for a 3rd time and continues to refuse.

[misawa99]

misawa that's the reason why I'll always consider Royce a legend; however, outside of the ring Royce can be quite a disrespectul runt. Just watch his own PPV for an example of that.

and for the rest of them other than Renzo, including Ralph, Ryan, and even Helio, they're quite disrespectful to say the least.

There are definite gaps in my knowledge of mma history. Back in the old days I knew guys that trained with Royce, Rorion, Rickson and Renzo and thus heard nothing but good things about them (well, Rorion might have been an exception). So my perspective is different. Around the time that Mark Coleman began dominating the scene I stopped watching for a while and only came back into the fold a year or so ago. So I've missed a lot of history. So for instance with guys like Ralph and Ryan, I know pretty much nothing about them other than what I read here. Thus the opinions on this board about the Gracies in general have been interesting...

[DaBigHurt]

If I may say one thing before this thread dies a slow death; If it was Renzo on crutches, I get the feeling that there would be plenty of members saying "Good for him, He's an asshole". But of course I might be wrong.

There has been more arguing than actual discussion in this forum, I wont mention new members becuase it is the old members (including myself) that all the intense arguing has been provided by. Resulting in a temporary ban of a well-known member.

[kai]

I'm glad we got this entire thing out of our system.

And yeah, I hope Ralph Gracie burns in hell.

[shagul]

yeah, the same Shamrock that he refused to fight for a 3rd time and continues to refuse.

How many times does he have to fight Shamrock to make you happy, five times? Or should they just keep fighting until Shamrock wins? Shamrock had his chances. I don't think Royce is disrespectful outside of the ring in general, but like most of the Gracies he is quite arrogant and disrespectful when it comes to fighting. Not wanting to fight Shamrock again doesn't have anything to do with disrespect as far as I'm concerned though.

[ningai]

I remember being so pumped up for the Royce/Ken rematch after listening to all the trash Ken was saying prior. Then all he did was lie on top of Royce for 35 minutes doing absolutely nothing. And Ken wanted ANOTHER rematch? I would have told him to take a hike.

[drunkmonk]

Ralph is garb. You know it is all bad when your first loss is in 6 seconds to a guy lighter then you but things look up for him he is fighting the handicapped. DM

[WEREWOLF]

Ralph is garb. You know it is all bad when your first loss is in 6 seconds to a guy lighter then you but things look up for him he is fighting the handicapped. DM

A comeback has to begin somewhere.

[Iron Maiden]

I remember being so pumped up for the Royce/Ken rematch after listening to all the trash Ken was saying prior. Then all he did was lie on top of Royce for 35 minutes doing absolutely nothing. And Ken wanted ANOTHER rematch? I would have told him to take a hike.

Yeah I remember that well. Ken Shamrock always talks ****,then I watch his fights,and they are all boring. When you talk **** like Ken does,you better beat the hell out of the other guy. I hate both Shamrock and Royce Gracie equally. I believe in equality! :D

[NewEnglandMMAFan]

I'm not suprised to hear about a Gracie fixing the bracket so it will be easier for him. Ken Shamrock claimed the Gracie family moved the bracket in the UFC 3 tournament 4 times since they knew he was going to be in the tournament.

Soucre is Ken Shamrock shoot interview from RF Video.

[dhk1980]

Yeah I remember that well. Ken Shamrock always talks ****,then I watch his fights,and they are all boring. When you talk **** like Ken does,you better beat the hell out of the other guy. I hate both Shamrock and Royce Gracie equally. I believe in equality! :D

Hey Iron, why the hatred toward Ken???? the last time i saw him, he was not BRazilian. :p

[Brazuca]

Hey Iron, why the hatred toward Ken???? the last time i saw him, he was not BRazilian. :p
That's true and a testimony to Iron belief in equality! :o)

[forescore]

I have hatred towards Ken as well. He's a jackass.

[Iron Maiden]

That's true and a testimony to Iron belief in equality! :o)

Exactly.

:)

Matter of fact,most American fighters I don't like either,because I don't like the cocky/smart ass approach that a lot of the American fighters use.

[Tony Montana]

I can't believe I'm just reading this thread now for the first time! Oh well, here's my take on things:

#1 - there's absolutely nothing wrong with robby posting this thread.
#2 - this was an incident between two people
#3 - to make general accussations about all Gracies or all Braziliansis is wrong
#4 - that said, some people are always too sensitive about things

Was Ralph wrong to punch this guy? Of course. But, this guy also seemed like a dickhead arguing with Ralph in front of everyone. Point is, we don't know the whole story.

[Cbear]

Exactly.

:)

Matter of fact,most American fighters I don't like either,because I don't like the cocky/smart ass approach that a lot of the American fighters use.
I blame that evil devil music from Iron Maiden for your dislike of things. In fact, its well known that in the song, Number of the Beast, there is a backwards masked message....."I hate the Gracies, except Renzo"..... :-D

[Iron Maiden]

So from now on all I have to say is "THE MUSIC MADE ME SAY IT!!!"

I like it!

;)

[Iron Maiden]

BTW~About hating everything,thats pretty much true...as the old saying goes

"There are only some things I hate,the rest I tolerate"

:)

[Tony Montana]

BTW~About hating everything,thats pretty much true...as the old saying goes

"There are only some things I hate,the rest I tolerate"

:)
wow, that's a lovely attitude to have:p

[dhk1980]

Exactly.

:)

Matter of fact,most American fighters I don't like either,because I don't like the cocky/smart ass approach that a lot of the American fighters use.

Iron, you're such a jerk, you sound like you need to get laid. :p BTW, who the hell do you like????

[Iron Maiden]

I'm not a jerk,and I do get laid regularly thank you. Stop bothering me with that ****. In every thread you say I'm being a jerk,enough is enough.

Who do I like?

Bas Rutten
Sakuraba
Randy Couture
Matt Hughes
Heath Herring
Dan Henderson
Renzo Gracie
Mario Sperry
Fedor
Alexander Emelianko
Rampage
Genki Sudo
Yuki Kondo
Sean Sherk
IGOR

Thats just a few....