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BruceLee
03-18-2005, 12:24 PM
I didn't even realize that McGwire was balling at the Senate hearings from the news reports I read yesterday.

From the Chicago Sun Times

WASHINGTON -- The room was dead quiet, and the six rows of spectators and the Congressmen had all turned their eyes to the big, bespectacled man at the long table in front, reading into a microphone from a prepared paper.


The man was crying.

Mark McGwire.

Big Red.

Bawling.

The formerly muscle-bloated, neck-swollen major-leaguer who broke Roger Maris' season home-run record in 1998 by hitting 70 homers, was weeping as he said, "My heart goes out to every parent whose son or daughter were victims of steroid use. ... I admire the parents who had the courage to appear before this committee and warn of the dangers of steroid use. My heart goes out to them.''

Why did his heart go out to them?

Yes, it is true, McGwire does charitable work for abused kids.

And the parents who had spoken to this same House Government Reform Committee earlier in the day and were seated in the row behind -- Donald Hooton Sr. and Denise and Raymond Garibaldi -- had told tragic stories of their teenage sons' suicides after steroid use.

But let us speculate.

And on this day of evasion and spin and waffling and sporadic bursts of unintentional clarity, speculating was perhaps the fairest game around.

So how about this: McGwire, the red-haired Irishman wearing a nice green tie on St. Patrick's Day, was weeping for himself.

Why?

Maybe because he is a gargantuan fraud. Maybe because he is a former steroid-taker himself.

Maybe because all those magazine cover shots and heroic poses and moon-launching tater memories remind him that he owes his fame and wealth to a simple fact: He cheated when he played ball.

That his epic stature -- and that of too many of his colleagues -- has enchanted young American kids to want to be mini-Paul Bunyans and take dangerous, performance-enhancing drugs may well be one of the saddest tales around.

Game has head in sand



There were questions as to whether this unusual congressional hearing was a witch hunt or some misguided foray into vote-gathering or celebrity rubber-necking or political grandstanding in an arena not within its realm.

It was not.

There were a number of representatives who openly admitted their love of baseball.

Start with committee chairman Tom Davis. "I'm a baseball fan,'' he said. "I always have been.''

Then he added, "But there's a cloud over the game I love.''

But as the wall clock with the blue and red voting lights ticked away and the subpoenaed witnesses droned on without truly exposing their guts or passion or consciences, a spectator could come to one only conclusion.

Major-league baseball is out of control.

It is hidden in a cloud of denial and arrogance and stupidity and non-accountability.

Thirty years ago, according to Rep. Henry Waxman, the ranking minority member of the committee, baseball knew it had a drug problem and "it failed to regulate itself.''

As late as 1995, commissioner Bud Selig said, "If baseball has a problem, I must say candidly that we were not aware of it. But should we concern ourselves as an industry? I don't know.''

So rubber Bud and his hole-riddled drug policy were roundly excoriated by the committee members.

As were Selig's attending medical expert, Dr. Elliott J. Pellman, his labor vice president, Robert Manfred Jr., and the players union executive director, Don Fehr.

What the questioners discovered was that trying to pin down protective, self-important men such as Selig, Manfred and Fehr is like trying to spear egg yolks with a straw.

Such agenda-driven executives are slippery, spineless and will ooze to the lowest spot on the landscape.

The frustration and, ultimately, anger coming from the questioning politicians was encapsuled in the heated words of red-faced Rep. Paul Kanjorski from Pennsylvania as he spluttered to Selig and Co.: "You really have to disengage yourself from the idea that you are some special segment of America!''

Canseco most calm, candid



Almost nobody but the oily and tune-changing pitcher Curt Schilling had much to say about anything.

Congress looked ready at the end to take drug-testing matters into its own hands.

Steroid problem?

Standards established by Davis held that personal questions were going to be soft and few.

But. Well. Who took 'em?

Not Sammy. Not Raffie. Not Curt. Not Frank Thomas, via video-conferencing. Not Mark, uh-uh.

Only Lucifer himself -- author and admitted drug abuser Jose Canseco -- apparently was responsible for baseball's steroid problem.

Indeed, Canseco, the nutball muscle freak who speaks of conspiracies the way most of us speak of gas prices, sounded like the most forthright and honest athlete in the building as he calmly and openly answered questions. Even after requesting immunity and not getting it.

"I don't know,'' McGwire said to one obvious question.

"Sir, I'm not here to talk about the past,'' he said to another.

"I'm retired. I'm not here to talk about the past,'' he said again and again when asked anything close to a drug question.

Did he know anybody who took androstenedione, and why did he take it himself, as acknowledged years ago?

No comment from Markie.

"Are you taking the Fifth?'' Rep Elijah Cummings asked.

"I'm not here to talk about the past.''

But Raymond Garibaldi was here to talk about the past -- since his son, whacked out and depressed from steroid use, hanged himself.

"We live in Foster City, Calif.,'' the dad said in the hallway during a break. "Near San Francisco. My son was a baseball player. He loved Barry Bonds, Jose Canseco, Mark McGwire, from the area. He would videotape their swings.''

The young man couldn't copy their bodies, however.

And perhaps that's why McGwire was crying.

Because the kid is dead.

And maybe Big Mac helped a bit.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/telander/cst-spt-rick181.html

robbypark
03-18-2005, 03:31 PM
McGwire was a roider; we all know it. Any record he ever set should be stripped or marked with an asterisk

just Brian
03-18-2005, 03:39 PM
McGwire was a roider;

Worse than that, he's a ****ing coward.

Ghost
03-18-2005, 03:55 PM
Come on now guys, " I'm not here to talk about the past, I'm here to talk about the Future, and be positive, not negitive." Unreal, what a piece of $hit.

Iron Maiden
03-18-2005, 04:08 PM
Anyone who ever used steroids automatically should have any record that they hold thrown out. I don't care who it is,cheating is no good.

themunchies
03-18-2005, 04:26 PM
Come on now guys, " I'm not here to talk about the past, I'm here to talk about the Future, and be positive, not negitive." Unreal, what a piece of $hit.

I was laughing at that too. Anytime they mentioned anything about steroids, McGwire wouldn't deny anything and instead just say that exact same line, basically proving to all that he used to be a roider. I'm starting to believe Jose Canseco's book more and more as the days go on.

Ghost
03-18-2005, 07:16 PM
This stuff, no matter how soon they can come to an agreement, will be Headline News once a few of these guys are up for election into Cooperstown(Big Mac, Bonds). If they even ponder induction, then I say cheaters Shoeless Joe and Pete Rose are allowed with an apology because this game embraces cheaters.
All records and stats do not even deserve an astricks (sp?). They should all be thrown out completely! The only reason Roger Maris has an * , is because he beat Babe's HR record with more games because the season was longer. Not because he had an aluminum bat, closer fenses, watered down pitching or groath hormones.

spaedonex
03-19-2005, 12:02 AM
Well then we need to go gravedigging on all record holders( or even player's with stats recorded at all) and do extensive tests for drug use. So because these players possible(most likely) used steroids, they are responsible for a kid's suicide. So everytime a kid ODs on cocaine it's a rock star's fault. I guess if my own child killed himself, I would have to blame someone besides myself. Just like MADD, detour the guilt elsewhere. Parents are the ones who need to teach their children that even their heros have flaws. In our society we push for the individual to be the best, go for the extreme, values come second.


With that said, bash away, but McGwire couldn't have given any answer to satisfy the masses. And he was crying from coming down off steroids and a Carl's Jr 6 dollar burger.

Cbear
03-20-2005, 01:08 PM
How about a Federal Athletic Drug Enforcement Commission which would be funded by fees mandated by law upon U.S. football, baseball, basketball leagues? Surprise drug tests and the first bad test equals a 1 year suspension without pay for the player and 1 million dollar fine for the team, 2nd equals lifetime ban and 10 million dollar fine for the team?

For those who say the teams/leagues would fund these costs by raising ticket prices, I don't care. I won't attend live now due to the high costs from them paying player insane money and from owners profits being off the charts. If the tv networks want to help subsidize the cost I don't care either. Pro sports is about greed, none will take responsibility for doing anything it takes to make a buck.

And on a different note, I don't think one single tax dollar should ever be spent to build new stadiums and arenas for pro sports teams. If it is such a good deal then the teams should foot the bill completely.

nhbfan8080
03-20-2005, 02:49 PM
How about a Federal Athletic Drug Enforcement Commission which would be funded by fees mandated by law upon U.S. football, baseball, basketball leagues? Surprise drug tests and the first bad test equals a 1 year suspension without pay for the player and 1 million dollar fine for the team, 2nd equals lifetime ban and 10 million dollar fine for the team?

For those who say the teams/leagues would fund these costs by raising ticket prices, I don't care. I won't attend live now due to the high costs from them paying player insane money and from owners profits being off the charts. If the tv networks want to help subsidize the cost I don't care either. Pro sports is about greed, none will take responsibility for doing anything it takes to make a buck.

And on a different note, I don't think one single tax dollar should ever be spent to build new stadiums and arenas for pro sports teams. If it is such a good deal then the teams should foot the bill completely.

I don't think a national comm. would work. There are ways around testing. Players can just disappear for a 3 month training vacation, possibly even out of the country.

ACIDBATHBELFORT
03-20-2005, 05:48 PM
Big Mac, might be the best person in baseball. But the man obviously juiced as well. Because of that image, he got a pass.

nhbfan8080
03-24-2005, 03:38 PM
Theres no crying in baseball!!

Solaris Flare
03-24-2005, 04:30 PM
Theres no crying in baseball!!

Louis Black said the same thing on the Daily Show. I laughed my ass off then as I did now. I love that line.

nhbfan8080
03-24-2005, 04:43 PM
Louis Black said the same thing on the Daily Show. I laughed my ass off then as I did now. I love that line.

I was laughing about it first at when Zimmer cried and said he was sorry he attacked Martinez to the press and Letterman (or Leno?) played that line.

spaedonex
03-25-2005, 12:21 PM
I think they should drop all the drug testing. If drugs are so bad for everyone then it will show in their long term performance and they'll lose their job or die. Drugs are addicting, so is food, sex, and anything else taken to the extreme. You can't tell someone that they are not allowed to have addictions and expect harsh penalties to save them. An example is if the government banned drinking coffee or anything with caffeine in it, then we'd see the masses of lawabiding citizens losing their minds from withdrawls, or prohibition on alcohol, it doesn't work. A fat person eating a giant slice of chocolate cake is definitely on a road to heart disease. Do you think that if you kept them from their cake that they won't become violent? If they have the energy to get off their fat asses, they'll tear your heart out for their addiction. It's easy to die for a $5.00 pack of smokes in prison, which has a black market value inside of probably over 1000%, since smoking has been banned for inmates(CA).