Who had it easy

[RiP CiTy]

I want to rate who had an easier time makeing it to the semi-finals/finals.

I'm going to omit fighters who lost there first fight and didn't return



Chris leben = got hooked up

nathan Quarry = worst luck, didn't even get to fight

Stephen Bonner = Had to fight Southworth and won, worked to get to semi-finals

Kenny Florian = Only had to fight once, got a break on the cut

Christopher Standford = lol, kicked off before he got to fight

Mike Swick = This guy got to the finals without a fight, (i bet he wins)

Forrest Griffin = worked to get to the semifinals with a win, probably can't fight

*Diego Sanchez = 3 fight 3 wins, gg*

Bobby Southworth = won one lost one, might still be able to fight, hard to rate

Sam Hoger = Made it to the semi without fighting

review:
Worked to get there: Diego Sanchez, Forrest Griffin, Kenny Florian, Stephen Bonner

luck to get there: Mike Swick, Chris Leben, Sam Hoger, Bobby Southworth

[West]

You know, one the ****iest parts of the show is the fact that not all fighters had to fight to get to the semis and worst of all the finals. I hope they really tweak out these bugs before next season.

[Iron Maiden]

Kenny Florian = Only had to fight once, got a break on the cut

I hate to see you say that....if Leben would have fallen and cut his head on the cage...THEN it would have been a big break. However,Kenny is smart and saw a perfect opening for an elbow and possible cut and he took it.

Kenny won the fight by being smart and capitalizing on a perfect situation.

He didn't get magically lucky,he made his own luck.

[just Brian]

Talk about polar opposites...

Diego Sanchez certainly hasn't had it easy. He has fought three times, so he's definitely putting in the effort. However, clearly his first two fights were not what I'd describe as hard work. But the last one was a war.

Without a question Sam Hogar has sleep-walked into the finals.

It's funny though, Griffin insisted on taking the fight against Shoenauer instead of Hogar. And Griffin got a busted eye for his trouble which could ultimately cost him the contract.

The reason I find this funny is because everyone hated Hogar, including Griffin, and that is, imo, one of the motivations for Griffin to fight Alex Schoenauer. I see it as Griffin thumbing his nose at Hogar. If Griffin had been smarter he would have insisted on Hogar fighting Schoenauer, and then he (Griffin) could have walked into the semi-finals without a busted eye. But his ego got in the way.

[Iron Maiden]

But his ego got in the way

A fighters ego got in the way???? NOOO WAYYYY!!! Thats a new one!

:D:D

I agree with you 100%.

[just Brian]

I hate to see you say that....if Leben would have fallen and cut his head on the cage...THEN it would have been a big break. However,Kenny is smart and saw a perfect opening for an elbow and possible cut and he took it. Kenny won the fight by being smart and capitalizing on a perfect situation. He didn't get magically lucky,he made his own luck.

I agree. Bas Rutten said that (and I paraphrase) if you plan to throw a punch, and you throw it, and it lands, that ain't luck. Kenny had a plan (throwing the elbow) and he executed it perfectly...and won. Calling it "luck" is sort of an insult to Kenny I think. And I think we can all agree that the insults should be saved for Leben :-D .

[RiP CiTy]

dont get me wrong, i believe k-flo won the fight fair and square. I ment he got lucky for the cut because imo he would have lost if the elbow connected and leben wasn't cut....Thats all, he earned the win

[avaaatar0]

Nope, he got lucky!! He didn't plan to get his ass kicked for 2 1/2 rounds then connect with 1 elbow 2 minutes before the match was over to win by medical stoppage. Leiben beat his ass and threw 90% of the punches for 2 1/2 rounds. If not for the medical stoppage, would anyone award Kenny the win on points?no. Anyone think he had the capability to throw a knockout punch?maybe if you're high. Did he attempt any submissions? no. Kenny was a punching bag for the entire match, then got one lucky hit. Legal? sure Deserves to be in the final? Hardly. Diego will smash him. (not that he woudn't smash Leiben,too)
Hell, half these fighters don't deserve to be here. Half of them haven't even fought yet.
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[MikeSF]

Yah, considering Kenny said after the fight he NEVER threw an elbow in his life I wouldn't exactly say he "planned" it :)

But yah, Diego gets the gold star for excellence, he likes to fight.. and maybe he just doesn't speak very good english (not first language?) but he sounds like he's fought alot :)

And I agree need to iron out the bugs, here are a few of my ideas I think would make it more streamlined
-First no swapping team members if one team gets their butts kick and lose members. Forget the team-v-team final you want, because that's just silly, look at the semi-finals its not team-v-team so why should the finals? Instead if you're going to have contests, make sure the earlier ones involve all the members, then later ones involve less.
-Everyone fights, if your team wins the contest one person from your team who has NEVER fought before needs to choose someone who has NEVER fought on the other team. This adds a little strategy if you want to play as a team event, let your weaker guys take out their weaker guys, none of those strongest vs their weakest. Besides, this isn't a team event, your teams primary purpose is your overall training style that you get from one of the coaches and possibly who chooses to fight.
-No choosing someone to leave, those first couple shows where someone left were lame, ok sure they weren't exactly the best of fighters, infact unsure how that Canuck even got on the show, but still give them a fighting chance for crying out loud.
-No bringing ANYONE back for any reason. Someone gets hurt, tough, they're gone, the odd man out basically fights someone who's already fought, 'nuff said.

[SassO09]

Talk about polar opposites...

Diego Sanchez certainly hasn't had it easy. He has fought three times, so he's definitely putting in the effort. However, clearly his first two fights were not what I'd describe as hard work. But the last one was a war.

Without a question Sam Hogar has sleep-walked into the finals.

It's funny though, Griffin insisted on taking the fight against Shoenauer instead of Hogar. And Griffin got a busted eye for his trouble which could ultimately cost him the contract.

The reason I find this funny is because everyone hated Hogar, including Griffin, and that is, imo, one of the motivations for Griffin to fight Alex Schoenauer. I see it as Griffin thumbing his nose at Hogar. If Griffin had been smarter he would have insisted on Hogar fighting Schoenauer, and then he (Griffin) could have walked into the semi-finals without a busted eye. But his ego got in the way.

The thing is this occured before the new rules, and according to the old rules if forrest didnt fight alex he'd have to fight bonnar and swick which are much harder fights, thats the only reason.. well not the only reason, but that had alot to do with him fighting instead of hogar, both of them wanted to fight alex that week to avoid swick/bonnar

[Iron Maiden]

Nope, he got lucky!! He didn't plan to get his ass kicked for 2 1/2 rounds then connect with 1 elbow 2 minutes before the match was over to win by medical stoppage.

Of course he wasn't planning on getting beat for 2 1/2 rounds before the elbow,but the fact remains,Kenny saw the opening for an elbow,he threw that elbow,it connected,opened a brutal cut,and won the fight.

It wasn't luck. As Just Brian stated,if you throw a punch/elbow/kick/whatever and it connects,there is no luck. You set out to hit your opponent,and you did it. Luck is when you get knocked on your ass and your feet go flying in the air and hit the other guy on the chin and knock him out. THATS luck. What Kenny did was not luck.


Yah, considering Kenny said after the fight he NEVER threw an elbow in his life I wouldn't exactly say he "planned" it

Uhh..I never said he went into the fight "planning" on throwing an elbow and opening a cut. But when the situation presented itself,it was Kenny who took advantage,and Kenny is the victor. Plain and simple.


Kenny was a punching bag for the entire match, then got one lucky hit.

Its true he was a punching bag for 2 rounds...but he was still standing and was even the freshest of the two coming out on the second round. Which shows to me what I saw anyway,that Leben has weak ass punches. I mean the proof is in the pudding. Watch Dan Henderson/Wand/Igor throw punches then watch Leben throw them. No comparison. Hell,Nog throws better punches than Leben does.

As for the "lucky" comment...I explained my view on that up above.

[ColeTrain]

Yeah, it seems Leben's punches are push-type punches. His hand speed is average because he doesn't turn his hips at all.

[RiP CiTy]

about leben's punches, he has proven un-spike tv that they hurt. **** it, he lost tuf but lets just wait and see his next fight. i have a couple early leben fights on my friends camera that i am going to break out in about a week. i might have raw footage of swick/leben fight!

[voltaire]

about leben's punches, he has proven un-spike tv that they hurt. **** it, he lost tuf but lets just wait and see his next fight. i have a couple early leben fights on my friends camera that i am going to break out in about a week. i might have raw footage of swick/leben fight!

I have Leben vs Swick if anyone wants it. Lemme know and I'll post it.

[Phyxius]

Kenny definitely got lucky in making it to the finals. He threw one elbow, planned or not, and that ONE hit got him into the FINALS. Everyone else at least put more effort into it. True, Forrest's cut could have cost him the match if it had been noticed earlier, but at least Alex tried harder. Kenny was lucky with his elbow in that he only threw one strike, and that one hit landed and won it for him. Not saying he didnt deserve it, but he was lucky.

[Iron Maiden]

Kenny definitely got lucky in making it to the finals. He threw one elbow, planned or not, and that ONE hit got him into the FINALS. Everyone else at least put more effort into it. True, Forrest's cut could have cost him the match if it had been noticed earlier, but at least Alex tried harder. Kenny was lucky with his elbow in that he only threw one strike, and that one hit landed and won it for him. Not saying he didnt deserve it, but he was lucky.

I do agree that Kenny is lucky he only had to fight one time to be in the finals....thats lucky. The way he got into the finals however was simply not luck.

[vale tudo]

I agree that Kenny slipped through the cracks, just like Sam is slipping through the cracks so far. But you could argue that if the opposing team was scared to fight you, or they thought you were a tougher opponent than your teammate, then you might walk into the finals with just one fight. I am sure thats the way it was suppose to be. But instead there were more CANS than there were fights.

[RedStorm]

I have Leben vs Swick if anyone wants it. Lemme know and I'll post it.

I'd like to see it. Could you post it please.