Judo Techinques, Tips and Discussion Thread

[Skinnyboy]

Injury wise I think judo is much higher than BJJ because of it's emphasis on throws. You're frequently getting thrown down from a height and if you land funny, resist badly, etc you're going to get hurt. Ground work is a lot more controlled and would have less freak injury instances than standing.

Never seen a dummy used and I can't see it really working. Tension lines are alright for uchi-komi if you don't have a partner to work with but people are much better,

Slapping for breakfalls does definately dissipate the impact when you're being thrown on your side, front or back. Rolling breakfalls don't really need it though since you're dissipating the impact with the roll. It's usually preferable to put the brunt of the impact on your arm, plus being prepared and controlling the impact seems to help too.

That's the thing I found outstanding about judo. You spend months learning breakfalls and then once you get into competition you try to avoid a proper breakfall to avoid being scored on. I "resisted badly" one night and it just about cost me a shoulder - "CRUNCH"! Seen many others do the same. One guy landed on his head to avoid being laid out flat. Crazy ****.

[telerion]

That's the thing I found outstanding about judo. You spend months learning breakfalls and then once you get into competition you try to avoid a proper breakfall to avoid being scored on. I "resisted badly" one night and it just about cost me a shoulder - "CRUNCH"! Seen many others do the same. One guy landed on his head to avoid being laid out flat. Crazy ****.

LOL. Yeah, Hidehiko Yoshida knows a little about that.

When you are really caught though, it's nice to know how to fall. I try my best to avoid a fall in competition, but there are times when I know I'm toast. I was up at a tournament in Buffalo, NY, a few weeks ago and in one match I got caught in a beautiful te guruma . He lifted me up to about chest high and then came slamming down on top of me. I fought like hell as he was lifting me, but once we started falling together, I was all about executing a good breakfall.

[Skinnyboy]

LOL. Yeah, Hidehiko Yoshida knows a little about that.

When you are really caught though, it's nice to know how to fall. I try my best to avoid a fall in competition, but there are times when I know I'm toast. I was up at a tournament in Buffalo, NY, a few weeks ago and in one match I got caught in a beautiful te guruma . He lifted me up to about chest high and then came slamming down on top of me. I fought like hell as he was lifting me, but once we started falling together, I was all about executing a good breakfall.

Yoshida = OOOOOOuch!

To get off topic a little....

Telerion, how big an emphasis is there at your club on kata? Is it something that only comes up before a grading or do you guys practice it routinely? When I was training, learning kata was important to my instructor.

Anyhow, I ran into a guy a couple of weeks ago who still trains at one of the clubs in the city and we got on the topic of judo kata and he said it's being practiced less as the older members leave the club. Too bad, I enjoyed it and seen the value if practiced properly. Is this the situation at your club?

[Skinnyboy]

OOPS - should have started at the beginning of the thread.

I earned a brown belt in judo. Started in my early twenties after a local judo instructor, who later became my instructor, did a seminar at the karate school I trained at (started training in karate when I was eleven). I continued training in both for 5 years, but competed mostly in karate (a little boxing and kick boxing as well). I went to a few judo tournaments, but I was never that good at the standing although I did improve a great deal when I started training at a second club (my first club had a hard surface and people avoided standing randori as much as possible). Haven't trained in any martial art for 7 years, about the same time I started my career as a family man.

With distance running I can train anytime. Sometimes I think I may return to judo (or other) and in the meantime the running will help me stay fit until that opportunity presents itself.

[telerion]

Telerion, how big an emphasis is there at your club on kata? Is it something that only comes up before a grading or do you guys practice it routinely? When I was training, learning kata was important to my instructor.

Anyhow, I ran into a guy a couple of weeks ago who still trains at one of the clubs in the city and we got on the topic of judo kata and he said it's being practiced less as the older members leave the club. Too bad, I enjoyed it and seen the value if practiced properly. Is this the situation at your club?

My club has a few advanced players (junior blue + or senior brown +) that do kata. Our sensei's son has placed nationally in nage no kata. Lately though, there has been a big emphasis on shiai competition. We almost never practice kata. I need to get on it though for grading, and it would be nice to enter the kata competitions, especially since we have some international champion kata players in our area that judge it. At this point I know only the first three sets of nage no kata and the first set of katame. There are a couple of guys that are approaching brown belt rank, so hopefully I can find a partner about my size and start working on nage.

OOPS - should have started at the beginning of the thread.

I earned a brown belt in judo. Started in my early twenties after a local judo instructor, who later became my instructor, did a seminar at the karate school I trained at (started training in karate when I was eleven). I continued training in both for 5 years, but competed mostly in karate (a little boxing and kick boxing as well). I went to a few judo tournaments, but I was never that good at the standing although I did improve a great deal when I started training at a second club (my first club had a hard surface and people avoided standing randori as much as possible). Haven't trained in any martial art for 7 years, about the same time I started my career as a family man.

With distance running I can train anytime. Sometimes I think I may return to judo (or other) and in the meantime the running will help me stay fit until that opportunity presents itself.

Judo is a great family sport. My six-year-old daughter has been competing for about a year now, and my wife got sucked into it a little of 6 months ago. As a graduate student, I have very little time for family. Judo nights give us an opportunity to get both exercise and family time in on one go.

[dwarfofdoom]

I hate Nage No Kata. I have to do it for JJJ, I suck at it and I do not see what purpose it serves.

You do not throw "live" like you throw durring Nage No Kata and I disagree with with the principles behind it.

Sure it's beautiful and graceful but I really don't see a place for it in modern judo.

Also I hate things I am not good at, and I stink at Nage No Kata.

[Skinnyboy]

I hate Nage No Kata. I have to do it for JJJ, I suck at it and I do not see what purpose it serves.

You do not throw "live" like you throw durring Nage No Kata and I disagree with with the principles behind it.

Sure it's beautiful and graceful but I really don't see a place for it in modern judo.

Also I hate things I am not good at, and I stink at Nage No Kata.

I realize that theory (kata) and competition are 2 different things. But I believe there is a lot to be gained from proper kata training. As well, it was always my understanding that the uke's role is just as important as the tori. Both need to understand their roles, what they are to do, and not anticipate each other but have a clear mind and believe they do not know what to expect of each other (action/reaction). It makes the execution of the throw realistic (unlike the uke who jumps into the throw which seems common).

A lot patience and discipline is needed in kata - maybe that alone is worth the practice?

[dwarfofdoom]

just got ippon seio nage'd by a 20 stone monster who dropped me on my shoulder then rolled over me.

hurts like hell, but could have been worse.

[telerion]

just got ippon seio nage'd by a 20 stone monster who dropped me on my shoulder then rolled over me.

hurts like hell, but could have been worse.

I hate that. People shouldn't be doing drop techniques until they learn how to properly pull uke across their body. I saw one of our senior green belts take out a newbie (never returned) because he threw sode tsurikomi goshi (makikomi) and didn't pull to correctly turn uke's shoulder. Popped it right out.

Heal up quickly.

P.S. Dang 20 stone is 280 pounds!!!

[dwarfofdoom]

I hate that. People shouldn't be doing drop techniques until they learn how to properly pull uke across their body. I saw one of our senior green belts take out a newbie (never returned) because he threw sode tsurikomi goshi (makikomi) and didn't pull to correctly turn uke's shoulder. Popped it right out.

Heal up quickly.

P.S. Dang 20 stone is 280 pounds!!!

to be fair my break falling is pretty good, I have be about 5-6 years Japanese jitsu experience and two years bjj.

The landing was awkward cos he threw me so damn quick. I didn't think he could turn so quick, the roll over was unneccesary though but that was not his fault. Still its all cool, these things happen.

I might have been exagerating about the weight a little, He was certainly over 200ilbs though, fat b@stard.

The only thing is I have a no-gi tournament (ADCC UK Nationals)in two weeks, I'll be mega p1ssed if i have to miss it.