Where are the fighters?

[DaSilva]

I agree with you cbear. I do believe the situation is exactly as you described it. Just wanted to get it out of the system, put it in a thread.

I feel like Minotauro is the only true fighter at heart and soul, the others are all fake. Minotauro got his arm broken and will get back to the ring faster than gsp. He keeps coming back to the ring no matter what happens to him, a truck couldn't finish him. He lost his chin several years ago, but he learned head movement and came back stronger, he will never decline a fight, he wanted to fight brock lesnar which was a terrible match up for him, he fought prime fedor 3 times, fought and beat prime crocop when crocop meant something and everybody was scared of him... and I just realized that I am huge fan of Minotauro, he is Rocky, the guy who never gives up.

To the other member: bleeding like a stuck pig is something thing that I am trully against. No sane person would want to see that, if you want to see blood fest you are probably sick, you will end up in jail one way or another.

[Heineken23]

I feel like Minotauro is the only true fighter at heart and soul, the others are all fake.

Whoa man, Minotauro's one of a kind no doubt. But calling everyone else fake is a bit extreme.

[tantryl]

Whoa man, Minotauro's one of a kind no doubt. But calling everyone else fake is a bit extreme.

Nah, he makes a good point. I'm pretty sure none of the other guys have ever accepted a hard fight when they weren't in top condition. Or, at least, they and/or their camp haven't complained as loudly about how bad it was after they lost.

[flarg]

I agree with you cbear. I do believe the situation is exactly as you described it. Just wanted to get it out of the system, put it in a thread.

I feel like Minotauro is the only true fighter at heart and soul, the others are all fake. Minotauro got his arm broken and will get back to the ring faster than gsp. He keeps coming back to the ring no matter what happens to him, a truck couldn't finish him. He lost his chin several years ago, but he learned head movement and came back stronger, he will never decline a fight, he wanted to fight brock lesnar which was a terrible match up for him, he fought prime fedor 3 times, fought and beat prime crocop when crocop meant something and everybody was scared of him... and I just realized that I am huge fan of Minotauro, he is Rocky, the guy who never gives up.

To the other member: bleeding like a stuck pig is something thing that I am trully against. No sane person would want to see that, if you want to see blood fest you are probably sick, you will end up in jail one way or another.

[Mephisto]

I like DaSilva, he keeps talking about how great Minotauro is while having Dancing Andy as his avatar. Awesome sauce.

[Cbear]

I like DaSilva, he keeps talking about how great Minotauro is while having Dancing Andy as his avatar. Awesome sauce.

Its a shell avatar that andy accidentally git in . War Shell!!

[jmose86]

I hate to breathe any sort of life into this redheaded stepchild of a thread, but news of Brian Stann's injury has brought me here to rant.

I know there has been a lot of talk lately about how over-training is the cause of a lot of injuries, but I think that is just trying to find some semblance of an explanation for the recent wave of injuries. Injuries in this sport will happen and fighters are going to continue to train extremely hard to stay competitive.

Now then, there's a difference between training hard and training stupid. It turns out Stann's injured shoulder is the result of being landed on by 275 lb heavyweight Shawn Jordan during a sparring session. There is no excuse for this. I learned my first week of amateur wrestling that you DON'T spar with someone that outweighs you by 60 pounds.

Stann says "he knew not to land on me". Well no sh*t, but when has any sparring session always gone perfectly? Even under ideal training conditions (relatively speaking for MMA) we will always have injuries, so under no circumstance should this have been allowed by his coaches. He's not a no-name bar fighter lacking resources to find training partners his size either so there's no excuse.


Source with details: http://www.fightcove.com/brian-stann...-ufc-on-fox-4/

[flarg]

I hate to breathe any sort of life into this redheaded stepchild of a thread, but news of Brian Stann's injury has brought me here to rant.

I know there has been a lot of talk lately about how over-training is the cause of a lot of injuries, but I think that is just trying to find some semblance of an explanation for the recent wave of injuries. Injuries in this sport will happen and fighters are going to continue to train extremely hard to stay competitive.

Now then, there's a difference between training hard and training stupid. It turns out Stann's injured shoulder is the result of being landed on by 275 lb heavyweight Shawn Jordan during a sparring session. There is no excuse for this. I learned my first week of amateur wrestling that you DON'T spar with someone that outweighs you by 60 pounds.

Stann says "he knew not to land on me". Well no sh*t, but when has any sparring session always gone perfectly? Even under ideal training conditions (relatively speaking for MMA) we will always have injuries, so under no circumstance should this have been allowed by his coaches. He's not a no-name bar fighter lacking resources to find training partners his size either so there's no excuse.


Source with details: http://www.fightcove.com/brian-stann...-ufc-on-fox-4/

It's funny, My junior year, I wrestled/sparred nearly every day with someone who outweighed me by 60 pounds(240 vs 180), and at the end of the year, I ended up getting my arm snapped.

[Achillles41]

Now then, there's a difference between training hard and training stupid. It turns out Stann's injured shoulder is the result of being landed on by 275 lb heavyweight Shawn Jordan during a sparring session. There is no excuse for this. I learned my first week of amateur wrestling that you DON'T spar with someone that outweighs you by 60 pounds.




Source with details: http://www.fightcove.com/brian-stann...-ufc-on-fox-4/

Not to be a total contrarian, but I wrestled my whole life, including for two years for a D-1 college program and I wrestled guys lighter than me every day. I am a heavyweight, and I compete at about 255 lbs and I wrestled our 197 pounders every day, and sometimes against our 184 pounders. And I never hurt one of my teammates a single time in 10 years of wrestling.

I do agree that fighters are more protective of their careers than they were, but I can't blame them. Just look and Andy. He got his ass beat by Chael and got lucky in the fifth round, but he did that with a slightly injured rib. People are going to give him crap forever about ALMOST losing. What is the incentive for fighting injured when a bad outing is enough to have all the fans of the sport question your legacy? I want to see fighters fight at their best, so there are no excuses.

Brian Stann being hurt is a bummer, but to say that he shouldn't have been sparring with a guy that much bigger than him is to ignore the realities of training situations.

[jmose86]

Not to be a total contrarian, but I wrestled my whole life, including for two years for a D-1 college program and I wrestled guys lighter than me every day. I am a heavyweight, and I compete at about 255 lbs and I wrestled our 197 pounders every day, and sometimes against our 184 pounders. And I never hurt one of my teammates a single time in 10 years of wrestling.

I do agree that fighters are more protective of their careers than they were, but I can't blame them. Just look and Andy. He got his ass beat by Chael and got lucky in the fifth round, but he did that with a slightly injured rib. People are going to give him crap forever about ALMOST losing. What is the incentive for fighting injured when a bad outing is enough to have all the fans of the sport question your legacy? I want to see fighters fight at their best, so there are no excuses.

Brian Stann being hurt is a bummer, but to say that he shouldn't have been sparring with a guy that much bigger than him is to ignore the realities of training situations.

We're never going to get anywhere with this, but that is one of the more unusual things I've heard. I only wrestled in high school but with top coaches and have friends who were D-1 athletes and I have never heard of a program, wrestler, or fighter who encourages sparring of any kind with that sort of weight differential. Obviously wrestlers go with teammates who weigh more than them occasionally (and more so at lower levels) but that scale of disparity is absurd as a common practice.

I'm probably outspoken about it because I myself developed nagging joint injuries from training with guys 40 pounds heavier than me and my coaches and trainers put a stop to it pretty damn quickly. The only reason I was even allowed to wrestle with them was because me and one other teammate were far above the level of most of the guys our weight so had to practice with heavier guys otherwise it would just be us 2 going at it and never getting variety.

Again, obviously injuries are going to happen either way, but that's why you have to avoid the scenarios with the most glaring likelihood of causing problems; one of which is a MW training with a HW. Especially when your are training at the highlest level, with the best coaches, most resources, and largest amounts of money on the line.