Chael Sonnen's "wrecked testes"

[Spectre]

There was an interesting article a while back that listed fighters who had been caught for roids compared to the results of their most recent fights, and the win rate was just about 50%. So it really didn't make a difference.

Absolute logic fail on your part.

[telerion]

Absolute logic fail on your part.

I won't be so harsh on Achillles, but it is true that that statistic alone does not tell us steroids are ineffective. Let's take the most favorable case for the argument presented and assume that this stat is only for fights where one fighter had just been popped for juicing and his opponent pissed clean. The problem is we don't know the counterfactual (i.e., what would have happened if the cheating fighters had not taken steroids). Maybe 90% of them would have lost. If so, then roids are very effective. Then again maybe 52% would have lost, suggesting roids were not much of a help.

We just can't tell from that statistic alone.

[69love]

Roids work. Jose Canseco said in his book that he wouldn't have made it in the majors w/o roids.He admitted he wasn't good enough. Barry bonds averaged about 30 homers a year in his 20's, which is your prime in baseball,and then starts belting out 50 to 70 in his mid 30's on the juice. Saying that steroids don't work because a ufc fighter has a 50% win rate does not prove your point. These fighters with a 50% record in the ufc probably don't even make it to the ufc w/o them. Taking roids might not turn the average running back into bo jackson, but it might get him on a nfl roster as a 3rd running back. Without roids, he might be teaching pe in high school. Steroids can turn a good athlete into a great athlete and a great athlete into superman. Bonds proved that.

Take a decent athlete like Clay Guida, who has the heart of a lion and the work ethic of 3 men, and put him on a 1990's Balco regimen and you would see a scary dude. UFC champion in no time. I don't understand why people still debate if steroids work or not. The debate is over. It's like debating evolution. If you don't believe in evolution at this point, you are just a idiot in denial of your past. Steroids are no different.

[Duncan]

TRT can be used to restore testosterone levels to normal, healthy levels or it can be used to elevate them in order to enhance performance.

I don't subscribe to the argument that if you need TRT then you shouldn't be fighting. If it is used to treat a legitimate medical condition, then why should fighters be forbidden access to it? It's true that the body naturally slows down with age, but we don't restrict athletes from getting supplements and surgeries simply because they are old.

On the other hand, I understand that it is difficult to determine whether a fighter is actually suffering from low testosterone, so the simplest way to resolve the issue is to ban TRT. Perhaps this is the best course of action, but I don't think we should be declaring that anyone who suffers from low testosterone should quit.

[DaSilva]

Steroids can make you twice as strong, twice as fast, last twice as longer, but they still won't make you a fighter. I think Brock perfectly suits this image, he was 2-3 time stronger then the rest of the heavyweights, had excellent cardio (displayed in the Herring fight), but he will never be a fighter. He is fine as long as he can crush his opponents (like he crushed Mir) but he has to pin them down so they can't move, and pound them out, he doesn't really like his opponent to strike back, that's when he buckles .

but if you are a fighter, steroids will make you a much better one!

[Greezy]

Steroids can make you twice as strong, twice as fast, last twice as longer, but they still won't make you a fighter. I think Brock perfectly suits this image, he was 2-3 time stronger then the rest of the heavyweights, had excellent cardio (displayed in the Herring fight), but he will never be a fighter. He is fine as long as he can crush his opponents (like he crushed Mir) but he has to pin them down so they can't move, and pound them out, he doesn't really like his opponent to strike back, that's when he buckles .

but if you are a fighter, steroids will make you a much better one!

try explaining this to barry bonds!

[fightfan80]

TTT, this thread title needs to stay up high IMO.

Not even wrecked testes is enough karmic punishment for all the douche-baggery of Sonnen IMO...

[telerion]

Plus still relevant given Dos Santos recent call for random blood testing.

[osss]

If trt is legal so should the herb