UFC 2012 Infograph

[LordZardoz]

Statistical proof greg Jackson has The most boring fighters and no one wants to talk about it?

The infographic is interesting. I think your conclusion is a bit overreaching though.

Incomplete data: This is just 2012. To get a better handle on it, you probably want to go back a few more years.
Decision != boring: Decisions and tedium often happen together, but not always. At the extreme end of the scale, you get fights like Chan Sung Jung vs Porier, Dan Henderson vs Shogun, Jim Miller vs Lauzon, or Varner vs Lauzon, or Ben Henderson vs Anthony Pettis. Even if you disregard the fight of the night winners and epic wars, plenty of fights that go to decision are pretty damn solid (or at least they are good enough to not suck the life out of the card).
UFC Only Data: How are fighters from each of the camps doing in the other significant promotions? What about Bellator, Strikeforce, OneFC, etc?
UFC Fighters per Camp: Some fight camps have big teams and some have a high concentration of champions and contenders. A camp with 70 fighters in it is going to have crap percentage compared to a smaller camp centered around a very small group of 2 or 3 elite guys.

Also, most people are only going to give a flying **** about guys in the top 10 in each division. If you were to find out that Greg Jackson has a 80% finish rate for prelim fighters, no one would still care. Condit and Guida each had ****-tastic main event fights and GSP still goes to a decision (because somehow GSP is a Greg Jackson guy despite training almost entirely out of Tristar). Jon Jones doesn't count because Whargarrble.

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[ante_up81]

Of course my comment is over reaching and a bit dramatic....but its not a coincidence that jacksons has the highest decision rate and also a rep for their point fighting, boring, low risk fight styles... Jacksons is one of the most esteemed fight teams and they barely even won half of their fights... In fact, they had the 2nd lowest win rate out of all the major camps in the ufc last year.
Here's their notable fighters and I bet this board knows 95% of them.

Tom Watson
Jon Jones
Brian Stann
Clay Guida
Jason MacDonald
Carlos Condit
Donald Cerrone
Leonard Garcia
Diego Sanchez
Diego Brandao
John Dodson
Rustam Khabilov
Roger Hollett
Kyle Noke

The amount of fights doesnt make a huge difference here because this is only charting the big teams in the ufc. All these teams had plenty of fights. To say this chart is also inaccurate because it doesnt chart toughness of comp is wild as well. jackson has 1 champion (who only fought twice) and one interim champ (who only fought once). you're saying the other major fight teams dont have any champs or title fights? these other big teams didnt face tough guys? Also, I dont need to look back into other years. Its only charting this year like every other team. The chart is fair.

[Tallica1981]

Of course my comment is over reaching and a bit dramatic....but its not a coincidence that jacksons has the highest decision rate and also a rep for their point fighting, boring, low risk fight styles... Jacksons is one of the most esteemed fight teams and they barely even won half of their fights... In fact, they had the 2nd lowest win rate out of all the major camps in the ufc last year.
Here's their notable fighters and I bet this board knows 95% of them.

Tom Watson
Jon Jones
Brian Stann
Clay Guida
Jason MacDonald
Carlos Condit
Donald Cerrone
Leonard Garcia
Diego Sanchez
Diego Brandao
John Dodson
Rustam Khabilov
Roger Hollett
Kyle Noke

Who, on the list you posted, fits this description on consistent basis?

[ante_up81]

valid point.. I have Rustam Khabilov in my fvckin sig! lol

[LordZardoz]

Of course my comment is over reaching and a bit dramatic....but its not a coincidence that jacksons has the highest decision rate and also a rep for their point fighting, boring, low risk fight styles... Jacksons is one of the most esteemed fight teams and they barely even won half of their fights... In fact, they had the 2nd lowest win rate out of all the major camps in the ufc last year.
Here's their notable fighters and I bet this board knows 95% of them.

Tom Watson
Jon Jones
Brian Stann
Clay Guida
Jason MacDonald
Carlos Condit
Donald Cerrone
Leonard Garcia
Diego Sanchez
Diego Brandao
John Dodson
Rustam Khabilov
Roger Hollett
Kyle Noke

The amount of fights doesnt make a huge difference here because this is only charting the big teams in the ufc. All these teams had plenty of fights. To say this chart is also inaccurate because it doesnt chart toughness of comp is wild as well. jackson has 1 champion (who only fought twice) and one interim champ (who only fought once). you're saying the other major fight teams dont have any champs or title fights? these other big teams didnt face tough guys? Also, I dont need to look back into other years. Its only charting this year like every other team. The chart is fair.

The chart is probably fair enough. My biggest issue is that I do think that looking at a single year for any fight camp can be a bit misleading though. The only criticism that I would lay on Jackson is that they are very likely to skew towards a safe and potentially boring game plan for the high profile fighters (ie, the ones who actually have something to lose).

However, this is very much dependant on the fighter. Leonard Garcia is not exactly a known game planner. Donald Cerrone is also not a boring fighter, but he does tend towards decisions surprisingly often.

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