Zero Dark Thirty

[Spectre]

One of my all-time favorite movies. I was simply blown away by the enormity of what I was watching which felt so real, gritty and genuine.

It's a slow cliche movie dude. As I said before: "MAYA WOULD CATCH DEM DARN TERRORISTS IF ONLY THE DAMN LIBRUUL PC BUREAUCRATS WOULD GET OUT HER WAY". It's shlock.

Which part felt real to you? The bizarre "I'm the motherf*ck that found this place" comedy fabrications? The frat boy torture guy that exists as a fabrication of Bigelow's bondage fantasies?

This whole ordeal will go down as one of the most significant events of our lifetime.

No it won't. Bin Laden's death will cathartic for a lot of people (particularly Americans) doesn't have nearly as much impact beyond the borders. In fact, in many parts of the world what happened was considered a bit outrageous as we basically went into a sovereign country to pull off an assassination.

911, Usama ,terrorism, are perhaps this generation's Nazism.

The Nazis killed tens of millions of people. Al Qaeda killed less than a month's worth of car accidents.

No one really can attests to the accurate portrayal of all events, but I refuse to let the details cloud my reverence for the events.

Plenty of people can, and have. And don't details matter when it's about a REAL event? You know, when that you're praising for feeling REAL?

This should win best picture, but it won't.

No it shouldn't. Argo, Lincoln, Flight, and Django were all MUCH better than it. Life of Pi was better than it.I haven't seen beasts of the southern wild, or Amour, but I'd bet those were better than it. Les Miserables was a friggin MUSICAL, and it was still probably better than ZDT if you adjust for musicalness.

Bigelow should get best director, but instead she'll face a senate hearing. At least Chastain will win for best actress and very deservingly so.

Bigelow's directing wasn't better than Affleck, or Spielberg, or Tarantino's. In fact it was a bit subpar, as was Chastain's were cowboy robot take on the character.

5/5 stars (because there was nothing they could have done any better IMO)

They could've not made it. That would've improved it tremendously.

[Tony Montana]

^WOW...what's up your tailpipe?

It's a slow cliche movie dude. As I said before: "MAYA WOULD CATCH DEM DARN TERRORISTS IF ONLY THE DAMN LIBRUUL PC BUREAUCRATS WOULD GET OUT HER WAY". It's shlock.

Let me guess, you probably don't like any shows with female leads. Am I right?

In fact, in many parts of the world what happened was considered a bit outrageous as we basically went into a sovereign country to pull off an assassination.

Obama chose not to inform the Pakistani gov't because there were legit reasons to believe that would compromise the mission. A lot of people believe that was a brave and correct decision. After all, the compound was a mile away from their version of Westpoint.

The Nazis killed tens of millions of people. Al Qaeda killed less than a month's worth of car accidents.

It's not about the death toll. The impact of 911 was profound. It led to two wars, trillions of dollars, forced the US to rethink it's foreign policy, forced the world to rethink how to fight wars, sparked the debate of privacy vs security etc....C'mon dude. How can you downplay this?

Plenty of people can, and have. And don't details matter when it's about a REAL event? You know, when that you're praising for feeling REAL?

Bigelow is currently being threatened to be called in front of the Senate. They wouldn't bother if they didn't find some information in the movie to be top secret. But, I think you're missing the point again. It's not about the accuracy of the portrayal of events. It's about the realism of the script & characters. No one can attest to the full accuracy of the story and that's exactly my point. I refuse to let that lessen my enjoyment of the movie.

As to the rest of your post, that's simply your opinion which I believe the majority of movie goers would disagree with.

[don king]

The impact of 911 was profound. It led to two wars

I also enjoyed the movie, so I won't debate the rest of your points, but this is flat out wrong.

A few sick bastards in control of the US government led to two wars. They were salivating over the prospect of going into Iraq.

[Spectre]

Let me guess, you probably don't like any shows with female leads. Am I right?

Wrong.I dislike "any shows" with cliched cowboys.

Obama chose not to inform the Pakistani gov't because there were legit reasons to believe that would compromise the mission. A lot of people believe that was a brave and correct decision. After all, the compound was a mile away from their version of Westpoint.

Your post here reveals how deeply ingrained the imperial mindset is. You basically just said "Obama didn't tell them because they might not have agreed". LOL. That's the point. Sovereign governments can disagree about things, that doesn't mean they cease being sovereign.

Fun facts: The U.S. hoses plenty of terrorists the it supports, and refuses to let them answer for their crimes. Some of them have even blown up airplanes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Posada_Carriles

Would you support an attack upon the United States by Cuban version of Navy SEAL team 6? Of course you wouldn't. That's another reason why this movie is propaganda.

It's not about the death toll. The impact of 911 was profound. It led to two wars, trillions of dollars, forced the US to rethink it's foreign policy, forced the world to rethink how to fight wars, sparked the debate of privacy vs security etc....C'mon dude. How can you downplay this?

It didn't lead to two wars, that's just wrong. Also you can't say that X lead to Y and Z, which are really important, and therefore X is more important than Y and Z. In that case, the American decision to arm and train Bin Laden's thugs in Afghanistan against the Soviets was far more significant. 9/11 was just a convenient excuse. The invasion on Iraq had been planned for years. The Bush administration was also pushing for an attack on Afghanistan pre-911, and the 911 commission report demonstrates.

Bigelow is currently being threatened to be called in front of the Senate. They wouldn't bother if they didn't find some information in the movie to be top secret.

No she's not. The senate is saying they might inquire into whether the CIA planted a narrative within ZDT, which they certainly did. Since it tries to exonerate the CIA's torture regime.

No one can attest to the full accuracy of the story and that's exactly my point. I refuse to let that lessen my enjoyment of the movie.

This is head in the sand wrong. The accuracy of the torture system can be FULLY rebutted, and has been.

As to the rest of your post, that's simply your opinion which I believe the majority of movie goers would disagree with.

Appeal to majority isn't an argument.

[split decision]

Maybe this will be featured in a sequel???

Osama bin Laden’s hideout being turned into 50-acre amusement park

The town of Abbottabad, Pakistan, is known for holding former al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden's hideout before he was killed by U.S. Navy Seals. Now, the town hopes to become known for paragliding and a zoo.

Officials for the province of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa announced plans for a 50-acre amusement park in Abbottabad featuring a wildlife zoo, heritage park and waterfalls. Tourism and sports minister, Syed Aqil Shah told Sky News the park will be expanded to 500 acres of land after it's built in about eight years.

The Guardian reports the park will also feature a mini golf course and rides, including a rollercoaster if one MP gets his way, according to the Guardian.

However, Shah denied the amusement park is meant to improve the town's image from a harbourer of terrorists to a haven of jogging trails and restaurants.

He said this has nothing to do with Osama bin Laden; the government is trying to welcome tourists province-wide and Abbottobad's development is no exception.

This isn't a bin Laden death attraction, either. The compound where bin Laden hid from authorities will have been long gone when the park opens because authorities demolished it last year, fearing al Qaeda followers would visit.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/daily...172716764.html

EDIT: This photo and caption were too funny not to add:

THIS RIDE CLOSED FOR REPAIRS

[Tony Montana]

I also enjoyed the movie, so I won't debate the rest of your points, but this is flat out wrong.

A few sick bastards in control of the US government led to two wars. They were salivating over the prospect of going into Iraq.

agreed, but point is if 911 didn't happen we wouldn't have found ourselves in Afg & Iraq

[Tony Montana]

Spectre...let's agree to disagree

[WEREWOLF]

Great movie. Really well executed.

The issue of torture is a tricky one.

Is torture useful in extracting information from the enemy? Absolutely.

Do the Rules of War apply to an enemy who is neither a signator of the Geneva Conventions or Hauge Laws and in fact operates against the spirit of such international treaties? If the answer is yes the enemy who does not adhere to such treaties is given a distinct battlefield advantage. If the answer is no, the lack of regulation in conducting war against such an enemy can have a corrupting effect both politically and militarily.